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 Post subject: Re: Considering buying a Meridian
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So do you think it is cheaper than a baron on a per mile basis? I've thought about one myself. what about insurance and yearly training costs?


Cheaper than a P Baron by a mile. :hide:

10,000 Ish for insurance

3K ish per year on training


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 Post subject: Re: Considering buying a Meridian
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Let's say that I wanted to fly a Meridien at 5,000 ft (for sight seeing perhaps). How much fuel would it use at what speed?


500 lbs of torque and 130 knots and 40 GPH maybe less.


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 Post subject: Re: Considering buying a Meridian
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I want one. Or a Malibu/Mirage with the Prop jet conversion.

But in all seriousness - how far can one go with 4 adults and luggage?

Some of these appear to have a low useful load given the fuel consumption rates....

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 Post subject: Re: Considering buying a Meridian
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A G1000 Meridian will hold 1140 of fuel and have about 560 pounds left over for people. 270 pounds an hour is a good rough estimate. We liked to land with 300 pounds, 250 if VFR and low traffic area.

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 Post subject: Re: Considering buying a Meridian
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I want one. Or a Malibu/Mirage with the Prop jet conversion.

But in all seriousness - how far can one go with 4 adults and luggage?

Some of these appear to have a low useful load given the fuel consumption rates....

????

Jim


How big are the people? A payload of 600#s can travel about 800nm depending on weather, etc. For each extra pound of payload one less mile of range is a good (fairly conservative) estimate.


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 Post subject: Re: Considering buying a Meridian
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I might have an opportunity to get in on a 2001 Meridian. What’s the deal on the increased useful load?

My typical trip is 480nm with 2-4 adults.

It would be nice to add the 2 grandkids to that.

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 Post subject: Re: Considering buying a Meridian
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Some 01’s have the update retrofitted

Which airports?


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 Post subject: Re: Considering buying a Meridian
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Usually LEX to DTS.


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 Post subject: Re: Considering buying a Meridian
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Usually LEX to DTS.


The real achilles heel for the Meridian is Class B - the "N123 descend/maintain 7000 reaching 50 miles from STL" stuff

LEX to DTS looks pretty reasonable on that end. You have a decent N/S corridor between the various military stuff that should allow staying high until close to destination.

You don't need full fuel for 480nm ... depending on the people involved 4 adults, 2 kids MIGHT be doable in a standard 2001

And FWIW ... it's well known that Jetprops (especially) and Meridians are widely and egregiously flown over gross by enormous numbers. Not that I'm suggesting that, but if you end up 50 lbs over gross ... well, you are definitely NOT being a test pilot.


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That trip will burn about 550#s. Depending on weather you’re going to want about 300#s reserves. So, 850#s fuel. The typical useful load of a Meridian with the VGs is about 1,650#s. So that leaves you 800#s for passengers and bags. Non-VG birds are about 250#s less. The trip should take 2 hours.


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 Post subject: Re: Considering buying a Meridian
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The real achilles heel for the Meridian is Class B - the "N123 descend/maintain 7000 reaching 50 miles from STL" stuff


Weather pending, “N123 cancelling IFR request flight following to destination.” Might want to pre-negotiate depending on how hospitable the controller sounds.

The Meridian is no worse than other turbines at low altitude. In fact it’s better than the rest. It’s not a preferred flight regime for any of them.


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 Post subject: Re: Considering buying a Meridian
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The Meridian is no worse than other turbines at low altitude. In fact it’s better than the rest. It’s not a preferred flight regime for any of them.


Meridian is a fine plane but it IS payload constrained. Airspace shenanigans are more likely to impact it than longer-legged aircraft. And by virtue of being slower than most turbines, it is more likely to be held low.

Point of it all being… lex-dts is a very different 480nm than pdk-apf

And at least with my Malibu into STL, kansas city center had an MOU with St Louis approach that all traffic of my type was at 7000 fifty miles out. Flight following didn’t help


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The Meridian is no worse than other turbines at low altitude. In fact it’s better than the rest. It’s not a preferred flight regime for any of them.


Meridian is a fine plane but it IS payload constrained. Airspace shenanigans are more likely to impact it than longer-legged aircraft. And by virtue of being slower than most turbines, it is more likely to be held low.

Point of it all being… lex-dts is a very different 480nm than pdk-apf

And at least with my Malibu into STL, kansas city center had an MOU with St Louis approach that all traffic of my type was at 7000 fifty miles out. Flight following didn’t help


Then that is the time when VMC to pull out the Crandall playbook. Stop descending at 17.5 and cancel IFR. Helps a little. I did it frequently coming over STL to EVV so that I could stay high and smooth as long as possible back in the day. Even if you have to ask permission to enter class B when u arrive to get to your airport.
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Everything with props gets pushed down low going into the big air spaces. The Piaggio has the same VMO as many small jets yet we get stuffed into the weeds 100 miles out. The cancel IFR works sometimes but if your VMO is 188, your TAS is still pretty low even at 17.5.

Not to say it matters that much time wise, I generally just like to stay high to be away from other traffic, in smoother air, etc.

Meredian is a sweet plane if it fits your mission profile.


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As the OP of this topic, I can tell you I’m sure glad I ended up with a 2001 with the gross weight increase already installed. My airplane had been weighed when the avionics upgrade was done years before I bought it. My full fuel payload is 525 lbs. I have already flown it 50 hours in the first three months I have owned it after flying an A36 for 30 years. I left Minnesota last Thursday late afternoon, spent the night in Montana and was in Alaska by early afternoon the next day. Something I would have never done in the Bonanza. My wife now wants to really go places after riding in the Bonanza for the last 30 years. And oh yeah 255 knots true at 28000 on 233 pounds per hour wasn’t bad. You could expect to see around 250 pounds 250 knots at 25000. At gross weight takeoff and a climb to the mid 20’s I can still get 900 feet per minute in the 20’s


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