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 Post subject: Re: Flat wing 525 vs Tamarack winglet 525 face-off
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Flat wing stopping in Columbia, SC. Getting their marketing dollars worth.


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Flat wing stopping in Columbia, SC. Getting their marketing dollars worth.

So I have to go back to work? Shucks.

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Oh my OCD ... that FMS panel...



Not OCD, that thing needs a cleaning.

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THE FLIGHT YOU’VE ALL BEEN WAITING FOR
ACTIVE WINGLETS VS FLAT WINGS


flat wing CJ: PWM-CAE-PBI
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in the parlance of our times, come’on man

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This marketing effort is a fail with the preplanned fuel stop and different routes. We all understand what they were trying to illustrate, but it would have been more dramatic and really drilled home the point if they had both aircraft depart under identical conditions fly the same route in trail of one another, to a destination that the winglet CJ would land with minimal reserves and have the flat wing CJ divert about 3 hours into the flight for fuel and then continue on to the ultimate destination. They could compare total trip times, total fuel burn, etc. on exact routing and conditions. The overwater portion exaggerates the final tallies (which I get is the point) as the flat wing CJ can't stop for fuel in the Atlantic, but it all appears too contrived. It's too much of a corner case. Unless they are specifically going after the Northeast to Florida traveller, which may be the objective.


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This marketing effort is a fail with the preplanned fuel stop and different routes. We all understand what they were trying to illustrate, but it would have been more dramatic and really drilled home the point if they had both aircraft depart under identical conditions fly the same route in trail of one another, to a destination that the winglet CJ would land with minimal reserves and have the flat wing CJ divert about 3 hours into the flight for fuel and then continue on to the ultimate destination. They could compare total trip times, total fuel burn, etc. on exact routing and conditions. The overwater portion exaggerates the final tallies (which I get is the point) as the flat wing CJ can't stop for fuel in the Atlantic, but it all appears too contrived. It's too much of a corner case. Unless they are specifically going after the Northeast to Florida traveller, which may be the objective.


And who would go to CAE on this flight anyway for gas? Its a 100 mile detour and will give much less favorable ATC treatment as well.


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And who would go to CAE on this flight anyway for gas? Its a 100 mile detour and will give much less favorable ATC treatment as well.

And it's into the wind. It's all a marketing stunt. Not that I have a CJ, but I've lost interest. I'm not going to learn anything from today's stunt that I don't already know.

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It’s actually counter-productive marketing. If I were a CJ owner and potential customer, the whole thing would probably just piss me off.

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And who would go to CAE on this flight anyway for gas? Its a 100 mile detour and will give much less favorable ATC treatment as well.


KPMZ is a shorter route, cheaper fuel and allows a direct feed into the ARs.

Do winglets help make up for poor flight planning decisions?

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Why file different routes. So stupid.


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Looks like they adjusted the route for 44VS, now there's only 11 miles difference, pending the actual route for the second leg of 741CC.


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Clearly not using the same climb speed with the two airplanes either. (look at the GS difference)

This whole thing is a joke, and as someone else has said, a turn off on the winglets.
My business partner just bought a CJ, and was really wanting to put the winglets on. This "stunt" has caused him to rethink a bit.


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I don't know what the point was here either... completely different flight profile on completely different route. The stock wing plane is cruising at 36k and the winglet plane is at 41k.

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Clearly not using the same climb speed with the two airplanes either. (look at the GS difference)

This whole thing is a joke, and as someone else has said, a turn off on the winglets.
My business partner just bought a CJ, and was really wanting to put the winglets on. This "stunt" has caused him to rethink a bit.


The winglet plane is only 900' higher vs. the stock and it only took off 51 seconds behind and its ground speed is way slower trying to climb faster. What a joke....


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