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Post subject: Re: 2020 PA46 M350 - Impressions Posted: 19 Jan 2021, 23:34 |
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Joined: 08/16/15 Posts: 2899 Post Likes: +3608 Location: Ogden UT
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Username Protected wrote: IDK about the M350 but the Malibu's could be sat on their tail if you loaded heavy pax in the back seat before pilots.
Never heard of people having forward CG issues. The reliability of that 350 HP Lycoming TIO-540-AE2A comes at a price of about 100 extra pounds of metal over the continental. That is a lot of weight at a forward station. Not saying you couldn’t do it, but you would have to try pretty hard to put a Mirage on its tail.
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Post subject: Re: 2020 PA46 M350 - Impressions Posted: 20 Jan 2021, 13:34 |
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Username Protected wrote: IDK about the M350 but the Malibu's could be sat on their tail if you loaded heavy pax in the back seat before pilots.
Never heard of people having forward CG issues. I had a friend once that loaded a V35b and it sat on the tail. I think that's a beechcraft safety feature... That's a C207 loading trick. Load the plane and have the pilot sit on the tail.
If it comes back up, cg will be ok once the pilot sits. If the tail stays down, you're too far aft.
That's a trick I've heard, not a trick I've used...
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Post subject: Re: 2020 PA46 M350 - Impressions Posted: 26 Jan 2021, 10:10 |
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Username Protected wrote: The reliability of that 350 HP Lycoming TIO-540-AE2A comes at a price of about 100 extra pounds of metal over the continental. That's a pretty bold statement . I'm a A&P/IA & shop owner, I maintain dozens of acft and own & operate acft with both Conti 550s and Lyco 540 engines. Frankly, I would be very hard pressed to find data to support your opinion. That said, by far the most problematic is the accessories (as witnessed by the OPs starter problems) and these are virtually the same for both brands.
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Post subject: Re: 2020 PA46 M350 - Impressions Posted: 28 Nov 2022, 03:15 |
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Congratulations David.
Are you still a happy M350 owner?
Looking at buying one myself.
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Post subject: Re: 2020 PA46 M350 - Impressions Posted: 05 Dec 2022, 16:05 |
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Joined: 10/05/09 Posts: 286 Post Likes: +130 Location: Portland, Oregon
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Jim, if you want pressurization, and the Mirage won't fit, get a Cessna P210. It will fit in a standard 40ft T hangar. Almost as fast, slightly less maintenance hassles, less expensive to buy. I had three different ones over 25 years, wonderful cross country planes. Buy the latest year model you can afford since Cessna made significant systems upgrades over the production life of the plane, my '83 model was the best of the three I owned. Wonderful plane if you happen to be tall...
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Post subject: Re: 2020 PA46 M350 - Impressions Posted: 06 Dec 2022, 12:23 |
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Username Protected wrote: My experience in an '86 Malibu. I understand the seats are somewhat better now
It's definitely a trick getting into the seat. Imagine the bonanza middle seats were 6" apart and you had to enter the barn doors, walk between the two seats then sit down.
Once seated ... yeah legroom can be tight. (I'm 6'3)
I joke though that the biggest problem with the PA46 series is room for the pilots's wallet. if it's thin, you fit just fine. if it's really stuffed full though, you might not find enough room in the cockpit and need a TBM or a KA.
And I would also say that much of what holds true for a 2020 model also goes for the 80's versions. GREAT airplane I have the extended seat mod in my Malibu. It makes a big difference.
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Post subject: Re: 2020 PA46 M350 - Impressions Posted: 08 Dec 2022, 01:11 |
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Joined: 10/05/09 Posts: 286 Post Likes: +130 Location: Portland, Oregon
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Those panel photos were interesting, about the same true airspeed as I would see in my P210 LOP burning about the same fuel. This is ~65% power in my P210 with the TSIO 520AF engine. Guess the PA46 isn't much faster at all.
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Post subject: Re: 2020 PA46 M350 - Impressions Posted: 08 Dec 2022, 09:34 |
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Username Protected wrote: My M350 would fly LOP very well at 29.5 MP 2400 RPM and 15.2 GPH,the speed reduction was about 8 KTS and the fuel flow reduction was about 6 GPH. Had you ever tried the MAP increase method and bring the MAP up to the 32-33 range which allegedly recovers the speed loss?
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