BeechTalk - BT

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 Dec 2020, 11:22

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Ok I will play,,,

Full stand up headroom, hard door potty and 380 knot cruise. Quieter than any jet. Half the cost of a SF50 and single pilot with no type rating requirement.

And, oh yeah, they are waaaaaay prettier..

Until you need parts or service, isn’t that a major challenge?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 Dec 2020, 11:26

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M2 has poor ramp presence but was my favorite. Sat in all 4 back to back at an open house. Phenom 300 is a different beast altogether.

If it were my brother, I’d recommend he sit in an SF50 and then an M2, Phenom if he wants the stairs. I doubt he’ll end up with an SF50.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 Dec 2020, 14:40

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Just dont sit in the pilot seat of the M2....its the most uncomfortable cockpit I have ever been in. Basically you are flying with your knees under your chin (along with the yoke).

Ditto that. I've flown both and the SF50 is far more comfortable in the crew seat.

You don't compare the two though. The M2 is designed for the customer who rides in the back, and they sorta made it ok for the customer who wants to drive, as long as he/she are on the smaller size. It's a small "jet" in the way we think of "jets". Other than the crew seats sucked for me (6'2" and big framed), great airplane. The resemblance to flying a TTx/Columbia-400 is uncanny actually.

The SF50 isn't a "jet" in the conventional thinking. It's a turbine-powered single, that just happens to make a jetlike sound instead of a propeller-like sound. It compares more along the lines of a Meridian than a twin-engine, cabin-class business jet.

I like the SF50 a hang of a lot more comfortable than the PA46 too, mostly again, because the front seat is so much more comfortable for a tall, big-frame person.

And no, none of this makes any sense. But who flies GA because it makes sense?

I've been recently to the Vision Delivery Center in Knoxville. The full-motion SIM for type-rating training is most impressive!

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 Dec 2020, 18:07

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HUGE windows.

One day, those windows will need to be replaced.

I bet that won't be cheap for large windows on a pressurized airframe.

The view comes at a price.

Mike C.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 Dec 2020, 18:51

I wish these jets had no windows and just cameras. You cook up there so huge windows is not a good thing IMO.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 Dec 2020, 18:57

The windows in the Cirrus Vision jet are the gold ones sold by Lee Aerospace, they are CoolView windows, a ~30-40k retrofit in other airframes

Blocks most of the UV and is well regarded as very functional by just about every mechanic or installer that I’ve spoken with

https://leeaerospace.com/coolview-aircraft-windows/

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 Dec 2020, 19:12

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And no, none of this makes any sense. But who flies GA because it makes sense?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 Dec 2020, 19:20

Username Protected wrote:

HUGE windows.

The view comes at a price.

Mike C.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 Dec 2020, 20:28

Username Protected wrote:

HUGE windows.

One day, those windows will need to be replaced.

I bet that won't be cheap for large windows on a pressurized airframe.

The view comes at a price.

Mike C.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 Dec 2020, 20:36

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When I think of huge windows on a jet, my first thought is one blowing out at altitude.

Fortunately, this isn't a real jet.

Mike C.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 Dec 2020, 21:02

Username Protected wrote:

When I think of huge windows on a jet, my first thought is one blowing out at altitude.

Fortunately, this isn't a real jet.

Mike C.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 Dec 2020, 23:30

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Anything pressurized that cruises at FL310 is exposed to the possibility of a Rapid D from a blown out window, or other, and it wouldn't be fun in a single pilot operation. That's real.

Sure, but FL410 and above is an entirely different world. Time of useful consciousness in a rapid decompression goes from ~1 minute at FL310 to ~5 seconds at FL410.

To put it in perspective, at FL450, you are above 85% of the atmosphere. You are 85% the way to space in terms of pressure. Anything that cruises in the 40s is essentially a space ship.

That is why airplanes which lack redundant sources of pressurization, such as a single engine airplane, don't get certified up there.

Mike C.