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 Post subject: Re: The Piper Aztec/Apache thread
PostPosted: 17 Nov 2020, 18:14 
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 Post subject: Re: The Piper Aztec/Apache thread
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Hi Mark, that was N4833P. It was a 1961 model PA-23-250, s/n 27-401. Was in very good condition with a Hartzell Top Prop conversion on high time engines. Paint and interior were both pretty decent - panel was definitely “old school”.

You ain't seen "old school" 'till you've been there Sven :)

My Dad was in a partnership with N4894P and I have probably a couple hundred hours in it, all simulated instrument, because I couldn't see over the panel. This was in the late 60s to early 70s, and the panel, down to the black background attitude indicator, horizontal scrolling heading indicator, and Narco Mark 12 Nav/Comms was original. I think it had a wing leveler but I don't know if it worked, because I was Dad's autopilot. :D

That was a great plane, we flew it from Philly to Florida and the Bahamas for several years over winter break. The paint job looked just like yours.

All of this nostalgia made me search on the registration number. It's been owned by a guy named Hershel Moore for just about forever, but the last annual was done in 1997 and the last references have it up for auction a few years ago. I have no idea what became of it since then. It's been hangared but the paint is worn and both engines are at TBO and probably haven't run in 25 years.

Hershel took care of her while he could though. It's had a panel makeover and paint, and a real autopilot installed. It's a shame that like so many good airplanes an old owner chose to keep it as a hangar queen rather than sell it to someone who would keep it flying. My guess is that the poor old bird is or will end up as scrap. I did enjoy looking at the photographs, especially the interior, knowing that those were the knobs and wheels and switches that an eight year old me used to hold and move as we flew off to adventure.

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 Post subject: Re: The Piper Aztec/Apache thread
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Norman,

What is a Doyne Aztec?


290HP angle valve 540 conversion from 250HP straight valve. Bump outs in the side cowls, modified engine mounts, different induction for rear feed throttle body and 3 blade props.

I could take off from my 2200 strip with stick all of the way back and not relax it until departure end-at about 800’.

Same company that did the Travel Air with the same engine. I had one of those too.

Actually spelled “Doyn”


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 Post subject: Re: The Piper Aztec/Apache thread
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Hi Mark, that was N4833P. It was a 1961 model PA-23-250, s/n 27-401. Was in very good condition with a Hartzell Top Prop conversion on high time engines. Paint and interior were both pretty decent - panel was definitely “old school”.

You ain't seen "old school" 'till you've been there Sven :)

My Dad was in a partnership with N4894P and I have probably a couple hundred hours in it, all simulated instrument, because I couldn't see over the panel. This was in the late 60s to early 70s, and the panel, down to the black background attitude indicator, horizontal scrolling heading indicator, and Narco Mark 12 Nav/Comms was original. I think it had a wing leveler but I don't know if it worked, because I was Dad's autopilot. :D

That was a great plane, we flew it from Philly to Florida and the Bahamas for several years over winter break. The paint job looked just like yours.

All of this nostalgia made me search on the registration number. It's been owned by a guy named Hershel Moore for just about forever, but the last annual was done in 1997 and the last references have it up for auction a few years ago. I have no idea what became of it since then. It's been hangared but the paint is worn and both engines are at TBO and probably haven't run in 25 years.

Hershel took care of her while he could though. It's had a panel makeover and paint, and a real autopilot installed. It's a shame that like so many good airplanes an old owner chose to keep it as a hangar queen rather than sell it to someone who would keep it flying. My guess is that the poor old bird is or will end up as scrap. I did enjoy looking at the photographs, especially the interior, knowing that those were the knobs and wheels and switches that an eight year old me used to hold and move as we flew off to adventure.


It will probably outlive you. Here it is now in Alabama in late 60s paint scheme.

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 Post subject: Re: The Piper Aztec/Apache thread
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Evidently Norman is to Aztec like Gregg C is to Tbone
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 Post subject: Re: The Piper Aztec/Apache thread
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What great stories! I don't even want an Aztec, but I still went to controller and just "looked"
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 Post subject: Re: The Piper Aztec/Apache thread
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What great stories! I don't even want an Aztec, but I still went to controller and just "looked"
Kevin

Yes, awesome stories. Makes me look at Aztec's too, but mostly just want to meet Norm someday.


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 Post subject: Re: The Piper Aztec/Apache thread
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What great stories! I don't even want an Aztec, but I still went to controller and just "looked"
Kevin

Yes, awesome stories. Makes me look at Aztec's too, but mostly just want to meet Norm someday.



Looking forward to meeting you Del-I am going to drop in on you soon.

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 Post subject: Re: The Piper Aztec/Apache thread
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Yes, awesome stories. Makes me look at Aztec's too, but mostly just want to meet Norm someday.



Looking forward to meeting you Del-I am going to drop in on you soon.

The pleasure will be all mine. Please call in advance so we can have the grill fired up and so we can put on the dog.

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and so we can put on the dog.

Just not Pete! :rofl: :lol:

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Any idea why the Doyn 290HP didn't get traction?

16% more hp musta been a good performer and help with one of the biggest Aztruck detractions....cruise speed.


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What's the reason for indentation in nose?

Lolololol.... that was Chuck Ney’s Baron N7123N sharing the hangar at Gundys (O38) with his Aztec. I’m really pissed now that I didn’t keep them both.

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Aztruck is right.


Norman I’m going to call you about that oil cooler mod. Cowl flaps are worth a LOT of speed in an Aztec like 5 plus knots, that oil cooler might be the cheapest speed mod I’ve ever had.

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What's the reason for indentation in nose?


No bump... optical from the prop shadow... (my guess)

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Checking my logbook, I instructed in Apache N3188P in 1969 in Opa-Locka FL. I think it was 18.00 an hour dry back then.

Edit: Looks like 3188p is a Jet Ranger now.

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