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Post subject: Re: The Piper Aztec/Apache thread Posted: 16 Feb 2024, 09:37 |
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I’m one. It’s this plane or turbine for me. Turbine is increasingly unlikely.
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Post subject: Re: The Piper Aztec/Apache thread Posted: 15 Apr 2024, 15:38 |
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What a bummer, he was a great contributor to our passion. Blue Skies, John!!
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Post subject: Re: The Piper Aztec/Apache thread Posted: Today, 09:06 |
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Been looking at Aztecs for a while. Mostly later model ones Probably their biggest claim to fame is the useful load. I see some advertised with 2000lbs useful, but I also see some with 1800, and some as low as the high 1500's. I can understand a couple hundred pound discrepancy, but what do you put into an Aztec to explain a 400+ pound difference in useful load?
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Post subject: Re: The Piper Aztec/Apache thread Posted: Today, 11:39 |
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Username Protected wrote: Been looking at Aztecs for a while. Mostly later model ones Probably their biggest claim to fame is the useful load. I see some advertised with 2000lbs useful, but I also see some with 1800, and some as low as the high 1500's. I can understand a couple hundred pound discrepancy, but what do you put into an Aztec to explain a 400+ pound difference in useful load? 14 layers of paint?
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Post subject: Re: The Piper Aztec/Apache thread Posted: Today, 11:45 |
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There’s a zero fuel limit 4400 lbs in my E. I’m 3333 lbs empty according to the W&B. 140 gallons means I can haul 1000 lbs with full fuel, or 1060 lbs if I left 10 gallons behind.
The old avionics and iron gyros are for sure heavy up in the nose/avionics bay. I have radar as well. That makes mine nose heavy, I often need ballast when loaded below gross.
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Post subject: Re: The Piper Aztec/Apache thread Posted: Today, 12:37 |
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Username Protected wrote: Been looking at Aztecs for a while. Mostly later model ones Probably their biggest claim to fame is the useful load. I see some advertised with 2000lbs useful, but I also see some with 1800, and some as low as the high 1500's. I can understand a couple hundred pound discrepancy, but what do you put into an Aztec to explain a 400+ pound difference in useful load? A fully de-iced Turbo with every option will have as little as 1560 useful, and a lightly equipped non-turbo can be as high as 2100 useful. A Turbo generally weighs 140 pounds more due to the heavier engines. 1960 to 1964 Aztecs had a 4800 pound gross weight. That group will have 1600 to 1700 pound useful loads. Serials 2504 and up are the 5200 pound gross weight. The only difference is a heavier center section spar splice plate, and that can be applied to some earlier models to give them the 400 pound weight increase. Those airplanes can approach 2200 pounds useful load. If you don't need the altitude capabilies of the turbo, and you need the highest possible useful load, the 1965 to 1970 model years will have the lightest empty weights. The 1971 E model got heavier, and the F models even more so. Lots of extra equipment added, more plush interiors, copilot instruments, etc.
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