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Post subject: Re: Cessna P210 Silver Eagle Turbine Posted: 09 Sep 2020, 22:22 |
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Joined: 12/13/18 Posts: 60 Post Likes: +15
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Username Protected wrote: Interesting. Thanks for the numbers.
Unless one needs a single for some reason, or perhaps needs short field capability, I don’t know why you wouldn’t save $100ks and buy a NA Colemill Baron or 58P. I have the latter and get 190-205 KIAS at 27 gph LOP.
I'am interested in a piston twin but I fly the plane with 2 other pilots, one hates twins (double chance of a engine failure/ twice the parts and maintenance and cost... blah blah blah) while the other desires the safety of a turbine ("It has 250MILLION flight hours and only insert low number of engine shutdowns")
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Post subject: Re: Cessna P210 Silver Eagle Turbine Posted: 09 Sep 2020, 23:05 |
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Joined: 05/29/15 Posts: 22 Post Likes: +7
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A 210 with Robertson STOL will match the numbers for 1/5 the price. I owned one, never took more than a few hundred feet to be in the air. This is a certified product unlike the many other Stall kits that only claim they don't harm factory numbers.
You could take the best P210 on the market, add Robertson, a new IO550, all new glass Avionics and still be 100-200AMU below the silver eagle pricing and be close to the same speeds at much lower fuel burn.
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Post subject: Re: Cessna P210 Silver Eagle Turbine Posted: 09 Sep 2020, 23:42 |
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Joined: 01/08/17 Posts: 359 Post Likes: +257
Aircraft: Aerostars, F33A
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Username Protected wrote: Great airplane... takeoff and landing distances are incredible and it climbs like a bat outta hell. Not the fastest bird in the sky by any means, but figure 190-195kts at around 34GPH. It carries a lot of fuel and can do some pretty long legs. For just 2-3 people it is a great, efficient turboprop. True the differential is low, but in the mid teens it is no biggie. The igniters are prone to failure so make sure you always have a spare on board or you may find yourself stranded (ask me how I know) but is dirt simple to swap out. I think they are a bit over priced at $600K+ and you could achieve the same mission with something cheaper. If you are set on a turboprop, then for what you describe (2,000ft unimproved strip) then it is your best option. Jet prop or TBM won’t cut it. Interesting. Thanks for the numbers. Unless one needs a single for some reason, or perhaps needs short field capability, I don’t know why you wouldn’t save $100ks and buy a NA Colemill Baron or 58P. I have the latter and get 190-205 KIAS at 27 gph LOP.
Some people really need to read the thread - this is an absolutely absurd suggestion!
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Post subject: Re: Cessna P210 Silver Eagle Turbine Posted: 09 Sep 2020, 23:46 |
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Joined: 01/08/17 Posts: 359 Post Likes: +257
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Username Protected wrote: Hi Everyone I have done an intensive search in the forum for a discussion on the Silver Eagle but have only found 1 or 2 threads focussing solely on the plane. (maybe that's a sign) We are currently looking at upgrading our Bonanza A36 to a Cessna P210 Silver Eagle. While the Bonanza does everything we ask of it and love it dearly, we have the need to get out of a short unimproved strip (think 2,200ft). There is also a desire to get behind a turbine. What are everyone's opinions/experience/reviews of the Silver Eagle, am I overlooking anything? (Current Listing for Reference) https://www.controller.com/listing/...s ... p-aircraftSorry Andrew, I consider Going from a Bonanza to a 210 a Downgrade
Only on BT could this be humored. Folks, the 210 is a far better working machine.
You can put a T210/210 on a border town near Mexico with a prop lock, throttle lock, door lock, ignition disabled and everything else. Park an A36 next to it with the keys in it, logs on the seat and a neon sign saying "steal me" and the 210 will be the first to disappear!
The Bonanza has its strong points, but it just does not get the hard work done!
Let's be honest!
Now if you go to the old school: T-bone or Queen Air or 18, there you have got the plane that gets work done, for a lot of years now and still doing it!
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Post subject: Re: Cessna P210 Silver Eagle Turbine Posted: 09 Sep 2020, 23:49 |
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Joined: 01/08/17 Posts: 359 Post Likes: +257
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Username Protected wrote: It has relatively small tires for its weight. Is it going to be any good at that?
I got a 182RG stuck in damp grass that hadn’t been mowed recently enough. The 182RG has exceptionally small tires as do the 1960 and 1961 Cessna 210. The P210 does not have the same issue at all! I had a relative the operated a P210 for years off his dirt farm/ranch strip in southern Oregon for years without any issues with the plane.
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Post subject: Re: Cessna P210 Silver Eagle Turbine Posted: 10 Sep 2020, 00:01 |
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Joined: 01/08/17 Posts: 359 Post Likes: +257
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Username Protected wrote: Get a Mitsubishi. Incredible airplane and 10X better than a Silver Eagle for half the money. This idea has merit - but hard to talk a guy from an A36 in that direction. I think he said 2200 ft unimproved strip - not sure how the Mits does with that?!
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Post subject: Re: Cessna P210 Silver Eagle Turbine Posted: 10 Sep 2020, 01:03 |
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Joined: 12/13/18 Posts: 60 Post Likes: +15
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I'm not here to debate one plane vs the next, but more of what would you buy instead of the Silver Eagle. No suggestion is wrong or too far fetched. A couple of years ago we thought we were going to get a C182 and ended up getting an experimental IFR Vans RV7A, then we were looking for a Cirrus SR22 and we ended up getting an A36, now we are looking at the next plane, and hopefully you can help me with this same song and dance. I did ask the same question on a Cessna Forum and got 4 responses vs 35+ (and counting) here, so take that information however you choose.
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Post subject: Re: Cessna P210 Silver Eagle Turbine Posted: 10 Sep 2020, 09:49 |
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Joined: 09/05/09 Posts: 4100 Post Likes: +2745 Location: Small Town, NC
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Username Protected wrote: TBM - Needs a long strip, and has low prop clearance Not entirely accurate. I ran a W&B with 4 adults and 120lbs of bags and 150 gal of fuel. Weight was 6200lbs, which requires 1300’ ground roll and 2000’ for a 50’ obstacle. The 5-bladed prop is composite with a metal leading edge. I don’t know the clearance, but it is lower than a PC12. The 2 things that concern me with an unimproved strip are: tire pressures are high, like 130psi high; and gravel going down the intake (I don’t know how are you measure the effectiveness of the inertial separator).
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Post subject: Re: Cessna P210 Silver Eagle Turbine Posted: 10 Sep 2020, 15:58 |
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Joined: 01/08/17 Posts: 359 Post Likes: +257
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Username Protected wrote: :btt: I'm not here to debate one plane vs the next, but more of what would you buy instead of the Silver Eagle.
No suggestion is wrong or too far fetched.
A couple of years ago we thought we were going to get a C182 and ended up getting an experimental IFR Vans RV7A, then we were looking for a Cirrus SR22 and we ended up getting an A36, now we are looking at the next plane, and hopefully you can help me with this same song and dance.
I did ask the same question on a Cessna Forum and got 4 responses vs 35+ (and counting) here, so take that information however you choose. I think you have got the right airframe if you are sticking with a single and you want traveling airspeeds. I don't know much about the peculiarities of the turbine on this airframe, but have lots of experience with all the 210 models. The P210 is a very comfortable traveling machine. If you get into one with the Robertson I recommend getting to know the plane real well as they have some quirky handling characteristics. I have flown numerous full RStol models (PA32/P337/210/182 ...) and there is definitely a tradeoff flight characteristics. The Skymaster was hard to keep the wings level at mid-flap settings, for example. I think the same people were behind the Wren STOL 182 and that plane is a death trap in my opinion. This talk of the Meridian/Malibu airframe should not have made the hurdle to get into this thread as they are not even suitable for poor condition paved strips. I can't imagine the TBM does too much better for the mission stated. The PC-12 is the only model worthy of consideration in that class.
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Post subject: Re: Cessna P210 Silver Eagle Turbine Posted: 10 Sep 2020, 16:16 |
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Joined: 10/27/10 Posts: 10861 Post Likes: +6885 Location: Cambridge, MA (KLWM)
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Username Protected wrote: I have flown numerous full RStol models (PA32/P337/210/182 ...) and there is definitely a tradeoff flight characteristics. The Skymaster was hard to keep the wings level at mid-flap settings, for example. I think the same people were behind the Wren STOL 182 and that plane is a death trap in my opinion. Not sure if the Wren is the “regular” Robertson 182, but one of my instructors had a Robertson 182 and it seemed quite capable and fairly docile to me. He based it at 9B1 (1660’ paved with trees on one end) without much drama.
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