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 Post subject: Re: Cessna P210 Silver Eagle Turbine
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33 plus years of flying 210's in and out of rough strips and no issues yet. A friends B36TC can't get out of my airstrip and has to land at nearest airport and needs at least 4000' strip.


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 Post subject: Re: Cessna P210 Silver Eagle Turbine
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Iam currently doing the inflatable door seal for a P210 now to support the owner

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 Post subject: Re: Cessna P210 Silver Eagle Turbine
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33 plus years of flying 210's in and out of rough strips and no issues yet. A friends B36TC can't get out of my airstrip and has to land at nearest airport and needs at least 4000' strip.

a B36TC isn't exactly a real comparison


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 Post subject: Re: Cessna P210 Silver Eagle Turbine
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Andrew,

I mentioned it elsewhere but I can’t imagine a better personal traveling machine than my P210 with the TN550. That said, I would love the TO/Landing and climb performance of the Silver Eagle. I too would also rather fly behind and own a turbine. That said, the initial cost is an order of magnitude higher. That order of magnitude includes meridians and starts to bump into 700C2s and maybe even 850s. Those need a lot of runway though.

So, I totally understand your curiosity and desire for a Silver Eagle. It’s an incredible piston single, it’s a mediocre turboprop....if that makes any sense. STILL, I’d love to own and operate one but I’d have a hard time buying one.

I recently saw one covered in cobwebs and dust in a corporate hangar, it made my heart hurt.

Lastly, I’m not sure why PropJet Aviation is artificially inflating prices. Probably because they can but there doesn’t seem to be much movement.

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 Post subject: Re: Cessna P210 Silver Eagle Turbine
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Great airplane... takeoff and landing distances are incredible and it climbs like a bat outta hell. Not the fastest bird in the sky by any means, but figure 190-195kts at around 34GPH. It carries a lot of fuel and can do some pretty long legs. For just 2-3 people it is a great, efficient turboprop. True the differential is low, but in the mid teens it is no biggie. The igniters are prone to failure so make sure you always have a spare on board or you may find yourself stranded (ask me how I know) but is dirt simple to swap out. I think they are a bit over priced at $600K+ and you could achieve the same mission with something cheaper. If you are set on a turboprop, then for what you describe (2,000ft unimproved strip) then it is your best option. Jet prop or TBM won’t cut it.


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 Post subject: Re: Cessna P210 Silver Eagle Turbine
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Given the tight airplane market, I was surprised at the number of Silver eagles for sale on controller now (12). There are 15 F33As and I would think there are a lot more F33As...


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 Post subject: Re: Cessna P210 Silver Eagle Turbine
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A friend owned a Silver Eagle and I have flown it.

Great machine. It has too much wing for the power IMHO.

Great for short strips. Cruise is just OK at 195 - 205 knots. I think it takes off and lands in 500' to 1,000'.

The only downside is that, by the time a lot of pilots get into a turbine, they want to go faster than that.

They start out with a P210, so a regular Cessna 210 won't cut it.

In this market, check with an insurance agent before taking the plunge.

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I owned a T210 for several years and like the form factor. With that said, I think the Silver Eagle offers poor value. The main reasons to buy a Silver Eagle are if you need to burn kerosene (limited access to 100LL) AND need the short field capabilities. If you don't need short field capability, but still need/want to burn kerosene, I think there are better choices.

If you're not 100% stuck on buying a turbine, the TN550 modded P210s offer great value. They are as fast, if not faster than the Silver Eagle for 1/3 to 1/2 the cost. The best TN550 210, IMO, is the Vitatoe conversion. Wonderful airplanes.

Good luck!

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 Post subject: Re: Cessna P210 Silver Eagle Turbine
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Hey Andrew,

You wouldn't happen to work or worked for Yamaha Australia?

Mark McAuliffe

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Lastly, I’m not sure why PropJet Aviation is artificially inflating prices. Probably because they can but there doesn’t seem to be much movement.

I think Bob is related to Jerry. Must be a Norcal thing.

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Lastly, I’m not sure why PropJet Aviation is artificially inflating prices. Probably because they can but there doesn’t seem to be much movement.

I think Bob is related to Jerry. Must be a Norcal thing.

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There is also a desire to get behind a turbine.

Probably no sensible reason to buy one, but I've always thought these were neat.

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If a bell 206 can do the mission you’d probably be served equally served by a turbine bonanza. I think there are some t210 turbine conversions also


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There are SO many airplanes that do things so much better for less money; I truly cannot think of a single reason I'd want one of these airplanes. The only reason I think you'd do this is because you had some sort of family connection to 210s.

Thank you all for your valuable inputs. You have given me lots to think about, below summarises the constructive ciritiscms I have read and the aircraft that have been alternatively suggested, my responses are also listed.

Pilatus - Whoever said this nailed it in the first go. This is the dream and the Royal Flying doctor service (RFDS) use them here in Australia. I might have too look into finding a ex-RFDS one.

Propjet - Apologise i originally thought this was the older version as the Meridian, but it looks better. I will investigate!

Insurance -this is probably the most importantly raised criticism of the plane. And I will do some research into this.

TBM - Needs a long strip, and has low prop clearance

Meridian - Long takeoff distance/ Is the Payload W/Full Fuel really 331 Lb? (150kg)? how,what,how?? :scratch:

P210 - Great option, if only they made a pressurised Bonanza!

Extra 500 - Looks very cool but there are none for sale?

Turbine Bonanza - The second choice to the Pilatus, but not pressurissed and only 1 for sale?

Operating Altitude - Australia is low lying country, the highest peak is 7,300ft and the weather is nice, so altitude is not a problem.

Access to 100LL - Australia is also a large country. West Australia alone is the same size as Alaska and Texas combined, because of this 100LL is scarce, Jet fuel is less scarce.

Please let me know if im missing anything - or am incorrect


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Great airplane... takeoff and landing distances are incredible and it climbs like a bat outta hell. Not the fastest bird in the sky by any means, but figure 190-195kts at around 34GPH. It carries a lot of fuel and can do some pretty long legs. For just 2-3 people it is a great, efficient turboprop. True the differential is low, but in the mid teens it is no biggie. The igniters are prone to failure so make sure you always have a spare on board or you may find yourself stranded (ask me how I know) but is dirt simple to swap out. I think they are a bit over priced at $600K+ and you could achieve the same mission with something cheaper. If you are set on a turboprop, then for what you describe (2,000ft unimproved strip) then it is your best option. Jet prop or TBM won’t cut it.


Interesting. Thanks for the numbers.

Unless one needs a single for some reason, or perhaps needs short field capability, I don’t know why you wouldn’t save $100ks and buy a NA Colemill Baron or 58P. I have the latter and get 190-205 KIAS at 27 gph LOP.


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