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 Post subject: Re: Cessna P210 Silver Eagle Turbine
PostPosted: 08 Dec 2020, 00:43 
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Congratulations Garth, We need pictures!

Do you need the plane registered under a MOE that its now a turbine and pressurized under the Canadian rules?



No need for a 604 OC if you have 6 seats or less. Fly it like a regular airplane.



“ 604.03 (1) Subject to subsection (2), no person shall operate any of the following Canadian aircraft for the purpose of transporting passengers or goods unless the person is the holder of a private operator registration document:

(a) a large aeroplane;

(b) a turbo-jet-powered aeroplane; or

(c) a turbine-powered pressurized aeroplane certificated for more than six passenger seats.”


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 Post subject: Re: Cessna P210 Silver Eagle Turbine
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Thanks Eric, Back a few years ago when I was looking at a PA42T my mechanic mentioned I had to.


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 Post subject: Re: Cessna P210 Silver Eagle Turbine
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There are SO many airplanes that do things so much better for less money; I truly cannot think of a single reason I'd want one of these airplanes. The only reason I think you'd do this is because you had some sort of family connection to 210s.


Meridian - Long takeoff distance/ Is the Payload W/Full Fuel really 331 Lb? (150kg)? how,what,how?? :scratch:

Please let me know if im missing anything - or am incorrect


The early Meridians were in that ballpark. But I don't think there are many of those flying. Most Meridians have the VG's and with an advertised standard useful load of 1700 lbs. Full fuel is 1140 lbs. You have to try hard to get that much fuel in the tanks. A normal fill is 1080 lbs. So that is 560 lbs or for a typical fill, 620 lbs full fuel. Modern Meridians are a little heavier than the advertising numbers with options, but still not a bad useful load.
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 Post subject: Re: Cessna P210 Silver Eagle Turbine
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Congrats on the P210SE Garth! I think they're very cool airplanes. Those insurance costs are eye watering. Is it typical for Canada insurance to be higher?

Keep in mind those numbers are Canadian dollars. To get US, you divide by 1.3. The hull rate was 1.75% for the P210 SE.


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 Post subject: Re: Cessna P210 Silver Eagle Turbine
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There are SO many airplanes that do things so much better for less money; I truly cannot think of a single reason I'd want one of these airplanes. The only reason I think you'd do this is because you had some sort of family connection to 210s.

Thank you all for your valuable inputs. You have given me lots to think about, below summarises the constructive ciritiscms I have read and the aircraft that have been alternatively suggested, my responses are also listed.

Pilatus - Whoever said this nailed it in the first go. This is the dream and the Royal Flying doctor service (RFDS) use them here in Australia. I might have too look into finding a ex-RFDS one.

Propjet - Apologise i originally thought this was the older version as the Meridian, but it looks better. I will investigate!

Insurance -this is probably the most importantly raised criticism of the plane. And I will do some research into this.

TBM - Needs a long strip, and has low prop clearance

Meridian - Long takeoff distance/ Is the Payload W/Full Fuel really 331 Lb? (150kg)? how,what,how?? :scratch:

P210 - Great option, if only they made a pressurised Bonanza!

Extra 500 - Looks very cool but there are none for sale?

Turbine Bonanza - The second choice to the Pilatus, but not pressurissed and only 1 for sale?

Operating Altitude - Australia is low lying country, the highest peak is 7,300ft and the weather is nice, so altitude is not a problem.

Access to 100LL - Australia is also a large country. West Australia alone is the same size as Alaska and Texas combined, because of this 100LL is scarce, Jet fuel is less scarce.

Please let me know if im missing anything - or am incorrect


Would buying some adjoining land and extending the short strip you frequent be a possibility?

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 Post subject: Re: Cessna P210 Silver Eagle Turbine
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I just had to replace a 7 year pitch trim actuator on the Pilatus I manage for... $23,616. :eek: And it worked just fine. :shrug:

So for private owners all such calendar items make turbine ownership hard to justify. If you want a plane for personal/family travel but don't have a tax deductible business purpose then you need F-YOU money to afford most turbines. Turbine aircraft generally "need a job". The Silver Eagle is great because it's just a P210 with a different engine. None of the nonsense, piston sized annuals, piston sized fuel bills and turbine reliability. what's not to love?

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 Post subject: Re: Cessna P210 Silver Eagle Turbine
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If you get into one with the Robertson I recommend getting to know the plane real well as they have some quirky handling characteristics. I have flown numerous full RStol models (PA32/P337/210/182 ...) and there is definitely a tradeoff flight characteristics. The Skymaster was hard to keep the wings level at mid-flap settings, for example.


Yes, the R/STOL offers amazing numbers. My P337 has a 43 kt stall speed and 450 ft of runway to take off and 465 ft to land. This is for a 4700 lb gross weight, turbocharged, pressurized (and air conditioned) twin. I don't put any flaps in until short final. That way I don't have to make any significant aileron movements. Once those ailerons droop, they essentially become flaps and not ailerons any longer. A R/STOL P337 is a very capable airplane and the high wing with significant prop clearance make it great for unimproved strips too.

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 Post subject: Re: Cessna P210 Silver Eagle Turbine
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WOW. Congratulations.

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 Post subject: Re: Cessna P210 Silver Eagle Turbine
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Way to go Garth! Awesome airplane!


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 Post subject: Re: Cessna P210 Silver Eagle Turbine
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 Post subject: Re: Cessna P210 Silver Eagle Turbine
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The silver eagle is a category by itself when you combine performance envelope, cost of ownership/operation, and reliability..

What other plane can offer turbine reliability, takeoff and land in less than 1000’ , climb 2000fpm, descend 5000fpm (controlled), perform better in ice than any piston FiKI plane...(if there is one that can beat it, let me know), pressurized comfort to 23,000, stall at 45 knots (with STOL), 54 knots with boots.. and cruise at 215 on 25gph and $250/hr total cost including engine reserve.. all while hauling a lot of gear and people.. with a 1000 mile range..all for around $1m mark with state of the art avionics....the answer is there is nothing that comes close...

The Vitatoe 550 is great, but not turbine m250 great...

It is an amazing plane... for the price.. can’t be beat.. yea, I would love to have a pc-12 , but it is over $3m for a well equipped NG and cost 3-4x the cost to operate

there is no perfect plane, just the one that fits your mission Profile and wallet...

Edit.. people who compare it to the the propjet typically only look at price and top speed... which is a very incomplete look. if you look closer you will see they are designed for very different mission profiles.. the silver eagle for 16,000-21000 feet and the propjet for 25,000-28,000... and 3.35psi fits the engine power lapse rate of the non flat rated m250 really well.. where the 5.5 psi of the propjet works well with the flat rated pt6... but you had better fly high in the pt6 or your range gets smaller and fast..

People who say why would you spend so much on an engine, don’t understand the reliability/dispatch / maintenance rate differences between big block pistons and turbines and therefore neglect to place value on those aspects


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 Post subject: Re: Cessna P210 Silver Eagle Turbine
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The Jet Prop stall a bit higher then the Silver Eagle. Both good planes, and I agree the reliability of a turbine is amazing. Here are some specs of the Jet Prop, granted this is for the -35 the one I fly is the -21. So they are a little different. I have about 75 hrs in my Jetprop so far and I have loved it.


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I like the -21 Jetptop.. suits the airframe plane well... a bit more forgiving on the lower altitude atc demands


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Steve that requirement as been changed around 2011. You still have to be on a maintenance program.
No POC needed but you cannot fly RVSM altitudes.



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Thanks Eric, Back a few years ago when I was looking at a PA42T my mechanic mentioned I had to.

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Garth, beautiful ship!! I love the 210SE, my boss used to have one and it almost always flew between annuals with no mechanical squawks.. Best value in SETP-

Question for the Gallery... would you fly one at night in the Western US??


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