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 Post subject: Re: Flying the R44 Raven II
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Widgeon, Citation, R44, A109? Proof that I’m doing it all wrong and you’re doing it right. Hats off to you my friend.

All kidding aside, does the increased size / downwash of the 109 make it tougher to sneak into the friends backyard type spots than the R44? Or is that why you’re keeping both?

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 Post subject: Re: Flying the R44 Raven II
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Widgeon, Citation, R44, A109? Proof that I’m doing it all wrong and you’re doing it right. Hats off to you my friend.

All kidding aside, does the increased size / downwash of the 109 make it tougher to sneak into the friends backyard type spots than the R44? Or is that why you’re keeping both?

Safe travels, in all your wonderful machines.

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I'm keeping the R44 because it's just a blast to fly, it's very inexpensive to own and it's a no worries machine to use for short trips/cycles. The 44 is a great daily flyer; I've been using it like a car and am building a hangar at my house that will only fit a 2 bladed rotor system. I also have a gut feeling in the back of my head that the 109 might be outrageously expensive to operate! Hopefully I'm wrong on that! :D A 109 can't be any more work to own than a G44 Widgeon though. I am going to limit my water flying to missions that require a water airplane; I really enjoyed restoring it but it's not a toy and requires a lot of my time to keep going. If the R44 is a 50 hours of flying to 1 hour of work aircraft, a 77 year old seaplane is a 1 hour of flying to 1 hour of work airplane.


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 Post subject: Re: Flying the R44 Raven II
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I use my 44 like a car and have been for years. Have a good friend with a 109 and for me the problem is that it’s a tank. No sneaking into restaurants, little spots. The thing throws some serious dust. At this point in my flying I can land in a backyard and hardly blow anything but not that helicopter. BUT for comfort and traveling the 109 is a great helicopter. Bit things do break on them the Robinsons not so much. At least from what I have seen.

Good luck to you Michael, you have brought Citation ownership to the masses! And good to you for doing that!

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I use my 44 like a car and have been for years. Have a good friend with a 109 and for me the problem is that it’s a tank. No sneaking into restaurants, little spots. The thing throws some serious dust. At this point in my flying I can land in a backyard and hardly blow anything but not that helicopter. BUT for comfort and traveling the 109 is a great helicopter. Bit things do break on them the Robinsons not so much. At least from what I have seen.

Good luck to you Michael, you have brought Citation ownership to the masses! And good to you for doing that!


Visited a friend last weekend, no one notices. This is an R44 blade leading edge. Very well made.


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My “RV” garage is almost done! Amazing it coincidentally fits an R44


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I use my 44 like a car and have been for years. Have a good friend with a 109 and for me the problem is that it’s a tank. No sneaking into restaurants, little spots. The thing throws some serious dust. At this point in my flying I can land in a backyard and hardly blow anything but not that helicopter. BUT for comfort and traveling the 109 is a great helicopter. Bit things do break on them the Robinsons not so much. At least from what I have seen.

Good luck to you Michael, you have brought Citation ownership to the masses! And good to you for doing that!



The 109 is a different beast, but I can sneak in more places with my as350 than I did with the R44… it’s considerably quieter and doesn’t spook horses as easily. Maybe 10-15kts slower than the 109 depending on engines (and way less mx).

The 44/66 even with a bunch of airspeed once those blades get slapping your not hiding from anyone.


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That Astar is gorgeous. Let’s trade a ride in the 109 sometime!

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We popped out of our house and in 25 minutes we are at grandmas! I probably never would have flown airplanes if I had known about helicopters first.


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We popped out of our house and in 25 minutes we are at grandmas! I probably never would have flown airplanes if I had known about helicopters first.

You had never seen a helicopter before you flew an airplane? :rofl: :duck:

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The 109 is a different beast, but I can sneak in more places with my as350 than I did with the R44… it’s considerably quieter and doesn’t spook horses as easily. Maybe 10-15kts slower than the 109 depending on engines (and way less mx).

The 44/66 even with a bunch of airspeed once those blades get slapping your not hiding from anyone.


As a guy who was around in the very early days of the AS350 I still look upon that machine with much trepidation. Engine failures with that darned LTS101 were too frequent and horribly spectacular when the power turbine wheel exploded and sent hot shrapnel all over the place, including down through the firewall and fuel tank. Been there, done that... Twice! Turbomecca or bust! :bugeye: :peace:


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We popped out of our house and in 25 minutes we are at grandmas! I probably never would have flown airplanes if I had known about helicopters first.

I got my fixed wing thinking it would lead to rotor. You've inspired me to jump into rotor training ASAP. Wife asked if I could land it at our new place under the approach path for KDAY. If she's asking these questions, I think she's on board too.


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The 109 is a different beast, but I can sneak in more places with my as350 than I did with the R44… it’s considerably quieter and doesn’t spook horses as easily. Maybe 10-15kts slower than the 109 depending on engines (and way less mx).

The 44/66 even with a bunch of airspeed once those blades get slapping your not hiding from anyone.


As a guy who was around in the very early days of the AS350 I still look upon that machine with much trepidation. Engine failures with that darned LTS101 were too frequent and horribly spectacular when the power turbine wheel exploded and sent hot shrapnel all over the place, including down through the firewall and fuel tank. Been there, done that... Twice! Turbomecca or bust! :bugeye: :peace:


Things have changed a lot since the Aerospatiale days. Turbomecca support was so bad at one point, an LTS101 conversion was developed by Soloy. The LTS101 has come a long way as has the AS350/H125, known in the oil patch at that time as "deathstars".

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The 109 is a different beast, but I can sneak in more places with my as350 than I did with the R44… it’s considerably quieter and doesn’t spook horses as easily. Maybe 10-15kts slower than the 109 depending on engines (and way less mx).

The 44/66 even with a bunch of airspeed once those blades get slapping your not hiding from anyone.


Interesting. I have always felt that the AS sound signature is far more distinctive and louder than a 44/66. Don't me wrong I love it. But it seems way more serious.

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