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Bought an R66 in June. Loving every minute. What a great helicopter. R44 on Steroids...


The 66 is definitely next on the agenda. 1 million flight hours, no engine failures! The training was brutal I couldn’t imagine doing that with a turbine. Is the turbine worth double the money?


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 Post subject: Re: Flying the R44 Raven II
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Can you define ‘brutal’? Hard on you or the machine?


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Can you define ‘brutal’? Hard on you or the machine?


The autorotation practice is some violent stuff on man and machinery. You are basically putting yourself into a real emergency and the recovery is very close to the ground.


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Can you define ‘brutal’? Hard on you or the machine?


The autorotation practice is some violent stuff on man and machinery. You are basically putting yourself into a real emergency and the recovery is very close to the ground.


IMO - That is one of the most fun maneuvers to do in a helicopter. I would disagree the description as "brutal". Like everything else you do in a helicopter it requires a lot of finesse to do it well.

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Check out a guy named John East, On face book a rancher in south Texas. Some on the best autos I have seen. A R22 really ratchets up the “attention” of doing autos.

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Oh, don't get me wrong, I am NOT the one who mounted it or flew with it. I was just commenting I didn't think the forces would be that bad.... :ohno:

Timothy,

I didn't think it was your video but just the THOUGHT of attaching something like that scares me :ohno:


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Check out a guy named John East, On face book a rancher in south Texas. Some on the best autos I have seen. A R22 really ratchets up the “attention” of doing autos.

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A couple of years ago I flew down to McMinnville to check out the Spruce Goose. By chance, it was the day of Jerry Trimble's annual full-down auto-rotation contest mostly (all?) in R22's. I think "violent" and "brutal" are fair descriptors. It was fun to watch but glad it wasn't my helicopter :tape:


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I bought a Raven II with AC last month and hit the training hard. Today culminated with the commercial and instrument checkrides. Far and away, the hardest checkrides I've taken to date. They felt more like initials than add ons. Examiner was tough but fair!

I bought the R44 to use as my Florida Cessna 172 to use for business and fun within 100 miles of my home in central Florida. In 77 hours in 6 weeks, I've done nothing but put oil and gas in it. It's a wonderfully reliable, well made machine with great performance. I think I'm going to really enjoy owning it.

Other than knowing the rules and how to talk on the radio and fly instruments, I didn't feel there was much correlation between flying airplanes and helicopters. There's some similarity in the low level environment with seaplanes but not much.

FUN? The absolute most fun I've ever had in any aircraft. If I had to have 1 toy and live under a bridge homeless, I'd keep the R44.



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I just got back from being in California all week at the Robinson course. This is really an exceptional company that makes an amazing product. I learned a ton! This was far and away the best training I’ve received in aviation. After flying my friends R66 for 30 hours I decided I want a turbine (keeping the 44 BTW). I’m not buying a 66 although it’s an incredible machine that does everything a 44 does better. I looked at BO 105s but finally settled on an Agusta 109 that’s at the Leonardo service center getting its annual. IFR, autopilot, radar, TCAS, 8 seats. It’s a serious machine! I’ve figured out that helicopters better fit my flying than airplanes and I simply enjoy their operation more.

The picture is of a guy in my class who was picking up a new bird.


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I just got back from being in California all week at the Robinson course. This is really an exceptional company that makes an amazing product. I learned a ton! This was far and away the best training I’ve received in aviation. After flying my friends R66 for 30 hours I decided I want a turbine (keeping the 44 BTW). I’m not buying a 66 although it’s an incredible machine that does everything a 44 does better. I looked at BO 105s but finally settled on an Agusta 109 that’s at the Leonardo service center getting its annual. IFR, autopilot, radar, TCAS, 8 seats. It’s a serious machine! I’ve figured out that helicopters better fit my flying than airplanes and I simply enjoy their operation more.

The picture is of a guy in my class who was picking up a new bird.

That's the way it goes. You plan to buy X but then you find Y that costs a bit more but does twice as much.

How does it work with the 109 engines? Are they on programs? Our company is leasing some 139's. Although I was tasked with reviewing the contract, it's a wet lease so I have no idea what the actual operating costs are.

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I’m not buying a 66 although it’s an incredible machine that does everything a 44 does better. I looked at BO 105s but finally settled on an Agusta 109 that’s at the Leonardo service center getting its annual. IFR, autopilot, radar, TCAS, 8 seats. It’s a serious machine! I’ve figured out that helicopters better fit my flying than airplanes and I simply enjoy their operation more.


Why not an S76? Seriously good deals out there. If you were shopping BOs and 109s, I’m guessing you were in the similar price range. And nothing compares to Sikorsky quality.

You can put this in your hangar for less than an R66


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I just got back from being in California all week at the Robinson course. This is really an exceptional company that makes an amazing product. I learned a ton! This was far and away the best training I’ve received in aviation. After flying my friends R66 for 30 hours I decided I want a turbine (keeping the 44 BTW). I’m not buying a 66 although it’s an incredible machine that does everything a 44 does better. I looked at BO 105s but finally settled on an Agusta 109 that’s at the Leonardo service center getting its annual. IFR, autopilot, radar, TCAS, 8 seats. It’s a serious machine! I’ve figured out that helicopters better fit my flying than airplanes and I simply enjoy their operation more.

The picture is of a guy in my class who was picking up a new bird.

That's the way it goes. You plan to buy X but then you find Y that costs a bit more but does twice as much.

How does it work with the 109 engines? Are they on programs? Our company is leasing some 139's. Although I was tasked with reviewing the contract, it's a wet lease so I have no idea what the actual operating costs are.


The 109s are getting to the DisposaChopper status but I realistically expect the operating costs to be similar to a Citation. I found a really low time one that has at least 1600 hours left until anything major happens. It has the typical 450 HP Rolls C20Rs so nothing scary in the engines. It burns about 60 GPH at full power going about 150kts. The panel is all stock Citation stuff so I'm not scared of that. I expect it to be a little "Italian" on the mx side. I find myself traveling a lot with my wife and child in the 44. A twin turbine will increase everyone's safety exponentially I believe.

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A twin turbine will increase everyone's safety exponentially I believe.

Yep. Is that 109 legal to fly IFR under Part 91?

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