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Post subject: Re: Considering moving up from the 120 - opinions? Posted: 31 Jul 2020, 23:44 |
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Joined: 04/02/18 Posts: 270 Post Likes: +134 Location: 20GA
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Username Protected wrote: Look at a -6 or -7, not a -4. In my opinion, an RV4 is single-place airplane with a spare seat. If you have a regular flying companion, you'd better make sure they like sitting in the back. I've spent a few hours in the back of a friend's F-1 Rocket (a modified -4), and it's not a good way to travel. Can't see the instrument panel or out the front, there's zero baggage space, and the back seat is behind the yaw axis, which makes for some nauseating side-to-side motion. I totally disagree. I've owned 2vRv-4s and 2 Rockets. The backseat of a -4 is for sub 180# people and smaller is better, but it is a truly fantastic airplane. The Ticket is for sub 200# pax but the baggage space is Huge! I can do 2 roller bags, a duffel and a fullize guitar. You have to watch the the weight in back, but we fly all over the lower 48bin the Rocket. My back seater is petite but I've ridden in the back on some fairly long flights. With me at 220 in the back baggage is pretty limited. Both are amazing airplanes. But an RV-6 is also a great airplane.
Doug, are those baggage examples compartment only, or including the space for the back seat? Is the back seat and baggage compartment on the -4 more often weight or CG limited?
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Post subject: Re: Considering moving up from the 120 - opinions? Posted: 31 Jul 2020, 23:58 |
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Username Protected wrote: Mooney M20C or E with the J bar and hydraulic flaps. In my opinion it's the cheapest certified 4 seat plane to own per mile. Most of them will do about 145knots on 7 to 9 GPH. Some faster and some slower, but that seems to be the average. Useful load of 950 to 1000lbs, and a range of around 850 to 900NM. VFR ones can be bought from around 35 to 50k. Yup, best bang for the buck.
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Post subject: Re: Considering moving up from the 120 - opinions? Posted: 01 Aug 2020, 10:44 |
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Joined: 01/06/11 Posts: 2918 Post Likes: +1630 Location: Missouri
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Post subject: Re: Considering moving up from the 120 - opinions? Posted: 01 Aug 2020, 12:54 |
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Joined: 04/02/18 Posts: 270 Post Likes: +134 Location: 20GA
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Username Protected wrote: After having dipped my toes in the certified world, experimental is desired but not a hard requirement. The more I reflect on it, the less interested I am in going certified again. It would have to be a very compelling case.
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Post subject: Re: Considering moving up from the 120 - opinions? Posted: 01 Aug 2020, 16:28 |
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Username Protected wrote: This isn’t a hard requirement but there is a part of me that has always wanted something tandem with a stick. It seems that may be difficult to find in this market segment, though. I know what you mean. Tandem taildraggers are fun in a way that other planes aren't. What about a Rans S-7? There's on on Barnstormers in your budget that comes with floats. It's in Canada, though. https://barnstormers.com/classified-159 ... atid=21710
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Post subject: Re: Considering moving up from the 120 - opinions? Posted: 01 Aug 2020, 17:10 |
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Joined: 04/02/18 Posts: 270 Post Likes: +134 Location: 20GA
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Username Protected wrote: Something to think about:
In my opinion, taildraggers should do something besides just being a taildragger.
Options:
1) Bush. Be able to land off-airport. This means no wheel pants, and preferably a high wing.
2) Aerobatic. Be able to do basic or advanced aerobatics. Explore the outer edges of the envelope, get and stay sharper as a pilot.
3) Warbird. Gain entry to a cool community.
At 40k, aerobatic is hard unless an RV. Bush is easier. You can always take the pacer experimental! Sorry I forgot about budget for Patrol. But they are indeed awesome.
If taildragging is not a requirement, I've always thought a manual flap mooney would be a great hamburger-getter.
-J Lots of good points that in hindsight I should have addressed at the outset. Bush always sounded fun in concept, but here in the south “off airport” means a prepared grass strip that may not be charted (in my experience, anyway). Aerobatics is something I’ve always wanted to try (and probably good practice for UPT), so I’d be open to that. As you acknowledge, warbirds aren’t attainable at this price range. I am drawn to taildraggers just because I can’t economically rent one; I’m content with maintaining my flying club membership to fly planes that have the third wheel on the wrong end.
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Post subject: Re: Considering moving up from the 120 - opinions? Posted: 01 Aug 2020, 17:45 |
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Joined: 04/02/18 Posts: 270 Post Likes: +134 Location: 20GA
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Username Protected wrote: Eventually you will want to resell this aircraft. Best option experimental is an RV. Great point, Charles. The soft market on the rag wing Pipers earlier in this thread can definitely be a double-edged sword.
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Post subject: Re: Considering moving up from the 120 - opinions? Posted: 01 Aug 2020, 18:46 |
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Joined: 08/09/08 Posts: 2124 Post Likes: +1100 Location: Downers Grove, IL (LL22)
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Now, if you are interested in a Warbird, check out this entry from the Wikipedia page on the PA-20 Pacer.
“Between 1953 and 1955, the Cuban Army Air Force (Fuerza Aérea Ejército de Cuba, or FAEC) received 7 PA-20s, 4 PA-22-150s, and 3 PA-22-160s. During the Cuban Revolution, PA-22s had their rear-doors removed and a .30 caliber machine gun installed in its place for use against insurgents, along with hand-dropped grenades. A PA-22 providing ground support for the Cuban Army during the Battle of Guisa is believed to be the lone aircraft lost by the FAEC to enemy fire.”
All seriousness aside, there have been a lot of great ideas thrown out for fun low-cost airplanes on this thread. You just need to decide what floats your boat.
Regards,
Bob
_________________ Bob Siegfried, II S35 - IO550 Brookeridge Airpark (LL22) Downers Grove, IL
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Post subject: Re: Considering moving up from the 120 - opinions? Posted: 01 Aug 2020, 18:51 |
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Joined: 04/02/18 Posts: 270 Post Likes: +134 Location: 20GA
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Username Protected wrote: All seriousness aside, there have been a lot of great ideas thrown out for fun low-cost airplanes on this thread. You just need to decide what floats your boat.
Regards,
Bob Indeed. I’ve got enough to work with now that I’ll go make some inquiries at the airport to see who has what that I can sit in and maybe fly.
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