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Post subject: Re: Piper Cheyenne - any off market airplanes out there?  Posted: 06 Aug 2020, 20:50 |
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The Cheyenne 1 or the IIXL don't have the Stability Augmentation System that the Cheyenne II has. The SAS is a PITA to keep working. Rosemont Aerospace is the single source for repairs. I ran a couple of II's in charter work and the SAS was the single biggest headache in the plane.
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Post subject: Re: Piper Cheyenne - any off market airplanes out there? Posted: 07 Aug 2020, 12:26 |
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Username Protected wrote: I had a chance to ask someone involved in Cheyenne development why they didn't do bleed air heat on the small Cheyennes. He said it took too much power away from the engines (remember, little -28's) at high altitudes. Not a problem on the -41's of the Chey III. This I'm sure is part of the speed difference of the Chey I / II and the King Air 90. No matter which engine you have it takes a bunch of torque. The Cheyenne II Blackhawk (135A) Conversion that I fly often does way better than a IIXL with -135A's. The folks that maintain it have IIXL's converted with -135A and always remark how much harder the II with Blackhawk pulls!
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Post subject: Re: Piper Cheyenne - any off market airplanes out there? Posted: 09 Aug 2020, 13:18 |
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No matter which engine you have it takes a bunch of torque. The Cheyenne II Blackhawk (135A) Conversion that I fly often does way better than a IIXL with -135A's. The folks that maintain it have IIXL's converted with -135A and always remark how much harder the II with Blackhawk pulls![/quote]
Kent — No doubt. The bleed air heating / cooling will definitely cost you some torque. I have the Blackhawk -135A’s on my IIXL and am very happy with them though and don’t miss the janitrol. Consistently does better than book numbers.
The Cheyenne II with the Blackhawk -135A’s is a hot rod! The airframe on the II is also quite a bit lighter than the IIXL. That lighter airframe makes a difference too.
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Post subject: Re: Piper Cheyenne - any off market airplanes out there? Posted: 10 Aug 2020, 09:21 |
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Username Protected wrote: Have you considered looking at Doug's III versus a II? viewtopic.php?f=43&t=164743I have been a PA42 owner and a PA31. I want to go back to the cheap operating costs of the small Cheyennes. A Cheyenne I or II is all I need.
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