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 Post subject: Re: Boeing Starliner: 80 Problems
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Starliner delayed until sometime in 2023 to resolve the various problems from the most recent uncrewed launch.

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 Post subject: Re: Boeing Starliner: 80 Problems
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Starliner delayed until sometime in 2023 to resolve the various problems from the most recent uncrewed launch.



I heard the're putting the 787 and 73Max managment team on the Starliner program!


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Say what you will about "piloting" the Starliner. I believe it is a career that you can do for the rest of your life.


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You'll have to wait a bit longer ;)


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Boeing takes another $195 million loss on Starliner. Total loss on project approaching $900 million.

https://spacenews.com/boeings-starliner-charges-approach-900-million/


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And of course they will continue to pump their own money into it to ensure that it’s safe for crewed flights.

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Someday Boeing will be the subject of a Harvard Business Case Study of how a once fine business went wrong. The finding; when you put accountants in charge, the company inevitably fails. Numerous examples throughout history and I won’t bore anyone with the plethora of examples.

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Someday Boeing will be the subject of a Harvard Business Case Study of how a once fine business went wrong. The finding; when you put accountants in charge, the company inevitably fails. Numerous examples throughout history and I won’t bore anyone with the plethora of examples.

It's a larger, broader lesson than that. Above those accountants are the board of directors who put them there, and above the board are the shareholders who approve the board and through their demands, affect the direction of the company. The solution/prevention to the Boeing problem is to not be answerable to shareholders, none of whom have any interest in how the business works beyond the quarterly report.

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un fortunately shareholders and investors have no reason to seek long term success. they just ask how will the stock do this year.

The fix I suggest is to only allow reduced tax on capital gains after 5 years. any time shorter is taxed at standard earned income rates. that would make the shareholders ask the CEO how the investment will do in 5 years and thus the CEO is rewarded for long term thinking which will help the company do good over the long term.


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The fix I suggest is to only allow reduced tax on capital gains after 5 years. any time shorter is taxed at standard earned income rates. that would make the shareholders ask the CEO how the investment will do in 5 years and thus the CEO is rewarded for long term thinking which will help the company do good over the long term.

Make it 10 years and I'm with you.

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Make it 10 years and I'm with you.

And inside of 1 year, tax the gains at 50%. Inside of 1 week, 70%


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Subsidies for what you want more of, taxes for what you want less of. It's not rocket science.

I used to shout loudly about letting the free market run on its own, until I saw how it ran. The problem is not the concept, it's human nature that makes it challenging. Of course so is trying to "manage" it, for the same reason.

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un fortunately shareholders and investors have no reason to seek long term success. they just ask how will the stock do this year.

The fix I suggest is to only allow reduced tax on capital gains after 5 years. any time shorter is taxed at standard earned income rates. that would make the shareholders ask the CEO how the investment will do in 5 years and thus the CEO is rewarded for long term thinking which will help the company do good over the long term.


This has become an issue since "investing in the market" has become a retail sport. Everyone is trying to grab margin and brokers and traders are making money from the trades and suckers day trading.

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This has become an issue since "investing in the market" has become a retail sport. Everyone is trying to grab margin and brokers and traders are making money from the trades and suckers day trading.

It may be a retail sport to some, but to anyone who isn't independently wealthy it is a forced necessity. Before the days of Fed intervention, quantitative easing, money printing, and designer inflation, you could earn decent interest on savings and it wouldn't be eaten up by inflation because monetary inflation was essentially flat.

Now that savings earn fractions of a per cent and inflation is a requirement, the only way to earn money on your money, or if you're retired, to compensate for inflation, is to play with stocks. It's forced gambling, and it's not because day traders are trying to get rich, it's because the Fed is playing smoke and mirrors with the national debt.

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Make that "82 Problems".... Boeing finds 2 more serious problems.

NASA grounds Starliner indefinitely. The July 21 launch attempt cancelled.

Boeing has discovered that some portion of the lines to the parachutes are weaker than they thought. So weak that if one of the three parachutes fails, the lines on the other 2 will not support the descending decelerating space capsule.

Boeing also discovered that the P-213 glass cloth tape (wrapped around hundreds of feet of wiring harnesses throughout the vehicle) is flammable. during certain circumstances possible in flight. This reminds me of Apollo 1....

Washington Post says that Starliner may not fly this year (again....)

I love the Ars Technica byline : BOEING ISN'T GOING —

https://www.space.com/boeing-starliner-nasa-astronaut-launch-delayed-indefinitely
https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/06/boeing-stands-down-from-starliner-launch-to-address-recently-found-problems/


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