In the light jet category, I’ve always felt...

Eclipse = sports car, toy jet

Phenom 100 / 300 = mature top end light jet, best built cockpit and cabin

Mustang = exactly in the middle

Haven’t had the chance to fly a HondaJet

The Mustang (with the PW615F engines) is considerably larger than an Eclipse (with the smaller engines PW610F). In turn, the Phenom 100 is considerably larger than the Mustang. The Eclipse burns the least, and it’s a solid 62-65g for the first hr, and goes down from there, less than the Mustang.

I once had a picture of all 3 on the ramp together. You could really see the size differences between the planes, the size of the engines, and how much mass each were pushing. Made it very easy to visualize the fuel burns between the 3.

The Eclipse is quite small, about the size of a Baron. Fits in nearly the same sized T-hangar.

What specifically do you want to see?

Hot and high takeoff distance and rate of climb. 6,000’ @ 30*c and zero wind. Thanks!

Thanks, Andy! Are your takeoff distances ground roll or 50' above?

Since this is a thread comparing the Eclipse eith the SF50 the SF50 performs as follows under those same condotions:

At gross: 4,440 ground roll, 7,271 over 50' obstacle, and 794FPM climb
At 800 under gross (interpolated) 3,850 ground roll, 5,950 over 50', 1,000FPM climb

This is where the numbers get messy. It’s difficult to compare a single engine to multi engine jet. Single engine is a simple takeoff roll and climb. Multi engine is a balanced field length which factors in accelerate and stop, accelerate and go, and OEI second segment climb gradient. Two different animals.

Thanks, Andy! Are your takeoff distances ground roll or 50' above?

Since this is a thread comparing the Eclipse eith the SF50 the SF50 performs as follows under those same condotions:

At gross: 4,440 ground roll, 7,271 over 50' obstacle, and 794FPM climb
At 800 under gross (interpolated) 3,850 ground roll, 5,950 over 50', 1,000FPM climb

Hot and high takeoff distance and rate of climb. 6,000’ @ 30*c and zero wind. Thanks!

Anyone else seeing Warren getting the itch.. or is it just me?

Just kidding buddy... kind of!

Although I admit this thread has me getting excited about the possibility of a pretty solid aircraft potentially making a comeback.

Understood and agreed. However, I still find the data to be useful information to make some assumptions from. Yes, I know what happens when you assume.

Don’t tell my wife until the evil deed is done!

Truth be told, I’ve loved the Eclipse since my first flight.

Indeed. The pilot incapacitation performance is also very different.

It would be interesting to compare a new M600 to the Cirrus. M600 is a little slower but greater range and uses less gas. Acquisition cost about the same for new. Both have the autoland although the M600 has a bulletproof engine. Probably if your flights are >1000NM the M600 is the easy winner since you'll get there faster because of no need to stop to refuel. I would expect maintenance costs to be less for the M600 but I could be wrong.

The M600 has maintenance covered for 5 years on the airframe and 7 years on the engine. Still have to pay for expendables like tires, brakes, beta block, and some other little things that are considered wear and tear. So for 5 years, no significant maintenance expected. If you do any significantly long missions, and factor in the fact that you need fewer fuel stops, and that on high headwind days you can fly relatively efficiently below the head winds in a TP, I would imagine real world block speed over a year in the M600 will be in the ballpark of the SF50. You will also pay less on average for fuel, because with the long legs, you will tanker cheap fuel, and take on less gold-plated fuel I did a recent almost 4000 nm trip and averaged under $2/gallon by tankering cheap fuel and forgoing expensive fuel.

As to the performance numbers at max gross weight (6000) lbs on a 30C day, ground roll for the M600 would be 3177 ft, 50ft. obstacle 4359 and climb rate 1431 fpm

M600 is great.....If only I could get in/out of the pilot's seat.....