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 Post subject: Re: CirrusJet Vs EclipseJet comparo
PostPosted: 28 Apr 2020, 15:31 
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Does anyone have performance charts on the Eclipse they care to share?

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Best ForeFlight Pro has the performance charts backed in so it’s fun to flight plan away
That’s what I use all the time

Eclipse has an app with all the charts download it then call them and they will give you a username and password

Finally tell me what you want and I will post it.


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 Post subject: Re: CirrusJet Vs EclipseJet comparo
PostPosted: 28 Apr 2020, 16:48 
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My 1000nm commute today in the Mustang is showing 3hr 12 min and just north of 1800 pounds.
The eclipse is showing it at 3hr and 04 min and 1250 pounds :eek:

Is that correct?!?! I know absolutely nothing about the eclipse, in fact I’m not even sure I have the correct aircraft in my flight plan. But holy chit if those are accurate.

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 Post subject: Re: CirrusJet Vs EclipseJet comparo
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Tony: You're pushing a much larger plane through the air with the Mustang. I'm not sure of the Eclipse numbers, but pull up beside one on the ramp.

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 Post subject: Re: CirrusJet Vs EclipseJet comparo
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Tony: You're pushing a much larger plane through the air with the Mustang.


Well what a nice thing to say :D

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 Post subject: Re: CirrusJet Vs EclipseJet comparo
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My 1000nm commute today in the Mustang is showing 3hr 12 min and just north of 1800 pounds.
The eclipse is showing it at 3hr and 04 min and 1250 pounds :eek:

Is that correct?!?! I know absolutely nothing about the eclipse, in fact I’m not even sure I have the correct aircraft in my flight plan. But holy chit if those are accurate.

That sounds about right to me. It's 2600# lighter, smaller engines, lower fuel burn, higher cruise speed. Significantly smaller airplane. Looks tiny on the ramp.

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 Post subject: Re: CirrusJet Vs EclipseJet comparo
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We looked at both planes and demoed them years ago. The Mustang was very comparable to our C90 King Air with jet engines. :D The Eclipse was more a sports car feel.

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 Post subject: Re: CirrusJet Vs EclipseJet comparo
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I'm probably not adding anything to the discussion but I had a run from Naples FL, KAPF to KSUS in St Louis that I could always make in the TBM, going and coming, and an acquaintance's Eclipse had no choice against any wind going home to SUS, making a fuel stop. This is only ~883nm. The Mustang's range is limited also vs a TBM. I'm not trying to argue with anyone just putting it out there that real world range is important and you need to know if someone is using the charts for those numbers and are that company's charts conservative, Cessna or stretched, most other manufacturer's.

Even asking owners for their numbers unless they are meticulous and give you every trip and track winds, attitudes and temps in a turbine you can't rely on them. Get the real "deal" before you buy and make sure it fits your intended mission. I'd love an Eclipse with Garmin or a Mustang. Wife, bags and a dog, maybe two small grandkids and no shedule. I can stop as many times and layover as necessary. :thumbup: Someone please buy me one. Now

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 Post subject: Re: CirrusJet Vs EclipseJet comparo
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I'm probably not adding anything to the discussion but I had a run from Naples FL, KAPF to KSUS in St Louis that I could always make in the TBM, going and coming, and an acquaintance's Eclipse had no choice against any wind going home to SUS, making a fuel stop. This is only ~883nm. The Mustang's range is limited also vs a TBM. I'm not trying to argue with anyone just putting it out there that real world range is important and you need to know if someone is using the charts for those numbers and are that company's charts conservative, Cessna or stretched, most other manufacturer's.

Even asking owners for their numbers unless they are meticulous and give you every trip and track winds, attitudes and temps in a turbine you can't rely on them. Get the real "deal" before you buy and make sure it fits your intended mission. I'd love an Eclipse with Garmin or a Mustang. Wife, bags and a dog, maybe two small grandkids and no shedule. I can stop as many times and layover as necessary. :thumbup: Someone please buy me one. Now


No doubt the TBM can accomplish some long legs. It’s also true that real world versus manufacturers numbers are usually fat on the manufacturer side. My Meridian was a good example of that. However I have found that the Mustang performs as advertised. I love my Mustang.

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A small jet simply isn't going to have as much range as any SETP. Too much difference in fuel flow and max endurance. If range is the priority most of the time, a SETP is the way to go. At FL400 I typically see 335kts and 500pph in the Mustang. I can do the 883nm leg non-stop up to a 70kt headwind, but if more than 70 I'd make a stop.

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 Post subject: Re: CirrusJet Vs EclipseJet comparo
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I'm probably not adding anything to the discussion but I had a run from Naples FL, KAPF to KSUS in St Louis that I could always make in the TBM, going and coming, and an acquaintance's Eclipse had no choice against any wind going home to SUS, making a fuel stop. This is only ~883nm. The Mustang's range is limited also vs a TBM. I'm not trying to argue with anyone just putting it out there that real world range is important and you need to know if someone is using the charts for those numbers and are that company's charts conservative, Cessna or stretched, most other manufacturer's.

Even asking owners for their numbers unless they are meticulous and give you every trip and track winds, attitudes and temps in a turbine you can't rely on them. Get the real "deal" before you buy and make sure it fits your intended mission. I'd love an Eclipse with Garmin or a Mustang. Wife, bags and a dog, maybe two small grandkids and no shedule. I can stop as many times and layover as necessary. :thumbup: Someone please buy me one. Now


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I don’t get that I routinely fly from CDW to VRB 861nm one way and 893 the other and have made the trip against 65Kt headwinds

And the ForeFlight numbers are conservative for my Eclipse I have discounted the fuel burn by 10%


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 Post subject: Re: CirrusJet Vs EclipseJet comparo
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Just what I was told by the owner.

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Just watched the whole video. Nicely done and I thought the author did a nice job trying to stay impartial, even though he clearly was. There's no doubt the Eclipse is a serious efficient machine for what it does. If the company / parts supply and service / support concerns were vastly improved it would change the prospects of owning one. I sincerely hope they are able to successfully address all those issues.

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My 1000nm commute today in the Mustang is showing 3hr 12 min and just north of 1800 pounds.
The eclipse is showing it at 3hr and 04 min and 1250 pounds :eek:

Is that correct?!?! I know absolutely nothing about the eclipse, in fact I’m not even sure I have the correct aircraft in my flight plan. But holy chit if those are accurate.



Try a Piaggio Avanti against them and really blow your mind, especially when you see the cabin size.


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 Post subject: Re: CirrusJet Vs EclipseJet comparo
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Does anyone have performance charts on the Eclipse they care to share?


What specifically do you want to see?

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A small jet simply isn't going to have as much range as any SETP. Too much difference in fuel flow and max endurance. If range is the priority most of the time, a SETP is the way to go. At FL400 I typically see 335kts and 500pph in the Mustang. I can do the 883nm leg non-stop up to a 70kt headwind, but if more than 70 I'd make a stop.


I agree. We couldn’t make 880 nm trip in headwinds with the Eclipse, from say Naples to Chicago. We’d stop in TN. (Or rather, if everything was perfect and they didn’t bring you down low, far outside Chicago, we could make it. So... It that never happened.)

A friend had an Eclipse and a TBM930. Eclipse was faster and flew higher, but always needed to stop in the middle for gas. The TBM could make Chicago nonstop, and was faster than the eclipse overall. He sold his eclipse... So... Yeah...

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