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 Post subject: Re: CirrusJet Vs EclipseJet comparo
PostPosted: 26 May 2020, 13:12 
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M600 is great.....If only I could get in/out of the pilot's seat.....


Vaseline, or if not available, big tub of butter :eek: Barring any medical limitations, you do get used to it, with a technique that works for you. The M600 does have quite a bit bigger cockpit than the legacy Malibu. Even at 6'1 and 200 lbs, I don't have to have the seat all the way back. The new seats with thinner higher density foam, wider cockpit, and the backs that extend over the wing spar instead of in front of the spar make a big difference. Plus you can fold all the seats down, which makes for a very large opening, if you want or need it.

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 Post subject: Re: CirrusJet Vs EclipseJet comparo
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I grab and place one leg over, then the other, in a friends Matrix. (Same fuselage).

No different than for an Eclipse, Mustang or Phenom.

Maybe I’m getting older and don’t have the same flexibility or leg control I had when I was younger.

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 Post subject: Re: CirrusJet Vs EclipseJet comparo
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Sorry, Warren. Have to disagree. Mustang and P100 much different than the Pipers.

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 Post subject: Re: CirrusJet Vs EclipseJet comparo
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Sorry, Warren. Have to disagree. Mustang and P100 much different than the Pipers.


I was referring to my tubby gymnastics to get over the center pedestal into the seats. :rofl:

I have trouble in all of them because the bulkhead, potty seat, or club seats are behind the pilot seats.

The Eclipse is easier if there are only 4 seats in the airplane and you move the pilots seats far back on the tracks

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 Post subject: Re: CirrusJet Vs EclipseJet comparo
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Except, you don't have to step over the console in a Mustang. Just step through between the console and the seat.

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M600 is great.....If only I could get in/out of the pilot's seat.....


Vaseline, or if not available, big tub of butter :eek: Barring any medical limitations, you do get used to it, with a technique that works for you. The M600 does have quite a bit bigger cockpit than the legacy Malibu. Even at 6'1 and 200 lbs, I don't have to have the seat all the way back. The new seats with thinner higher density foam, wider cockpit, and the backs that extend over the wing spar instead of in front of the spar make a big difference. Plus you can fold all the seats down, which makes for a very large opening, if you want or need it.


I'm 6-2 200# and cannot get into the front seats of M600. Backward, forward, doesn't matter. It's a very uncomfortable proposition, and after you close the door, you do get very intimate with your pax...Horrible design IMHO. Bummer because I like the performance..

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Not that anyone asked, but I’m 6’3” 210#s and have no problem getting into the pilot’s seat of my Meridian. Where there is a will, there is a way. The TBM feels about the same. The Epic is downright spacious. The cockpit/access on the SF50 is superb.


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I wonder why Piper doesn't put a pilot door in the M600? That would make all the contortions to get in and out of the seat a non issue and perhaps increase interest in the plane. The pilot door in the TBM is terrifico and I'm sure they make a nice profit on it.

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 Post subject: Re: CirrusJet Vs EclipseJet comparo
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I wonder why Piper doesn't put a pilot door in the M600? That would make all the contortions to get in and out of the seat a non issue and perhaps increase interest in the plane. The pilot door in the TBM is terrific and I'm sure they make a nice profit on it.

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Not that anyone asked, but I’m 6’3” 210#s and have no problem getting into the pilot’s seat of my Meridian. Where there is a will, there is a way. The TBM feels about the same. The Epic is downright spacious. The cockpit/access on the SF50 is superb.


I don't have the same problem entering the TBM (even without a pilot door) as I do the M600. The wing spar and smaller cabin is my issue. I agree with the "will/way" comment. I lack the will to keep trying. Vision Jet ingress/egress nailed it for me.


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 Post subject: Re: CirrusJet Vs EclipseJet comparo
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Not that anyone asked, but I’m 6’3” 210#s and have no problem getting into the pilot’s seat of my Meridian. Where there is a will, there is a way. The TBM feels about the same. The Epic is downright spacious. The cockpit/access on the SF50 is superb.


I don't have the same problem entering the TBM (even without a pilot door) as I do the M600. The wing spar and smaller cabin is my issue. I agree with the "will/way" comment. I lack the will to keep trying. Vision Jet ingress/egress nailed it for me.

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I am with you climbing over the spar in the Piper made me feel claustrophobic.

Before the Eclipse I thought the PC12 was to big the Meridian too small and the TBM was perfect

There’s a trick to getting into an Eclipse and it’s very comfortable with the side stick you have lots of room

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The pa46 is easier IMO to get in and out of than anything with console, unless you are 6’3 or taller. Then you just don’t fit in most cases.

The vision jet was the roomiest cockpit I have ever sat in. If I was a giant, that’s what I would fly.


As an aside, a friend is 6’4, 265ish. He got into the right seat of Piaggio. It seemed like he wouldn’t be comfortable or able to exit quickly so we decided to put him in the back. It took 20 min and a ripped shirt to accomplish that. There was a 5 minute stretch when I was confident he couldn’t be removed without removing part of console.


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I think some of the discrepancy with the Meridian access may be dependent upon the avionics. I've never attempted to sit in the pilot's seat of a G1000 Meridian, but I could see the keypad making it more difficult. My Avidyne Meridian has no such keypad and is a little easier to access than the M600 I've sat in due to it's touchscreen keypads.


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I've flown the Cirrus Jet. Remarkably comfortable. Far more so than than the PA46's I've been in. More comfortable in the crew seats than the Citation M2's right seat I flew in.


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The left seat is more comfortable. Not sure why, but it has always been that way in everything I’ve flown. Try the left seat next time.

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