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 Post subject: Re: Cub vs Air Cam on Floats
PostPosted: 22 Apr 2020, 22:22 
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Cub on floats in not going to be much faster than your aircam.
Is that 70 mph or 70 knots?
I though the aircam was a bit faster than that (85mph)



70 mph, the yellow arc on the airspeed indicator starts at 85 mph IAS.

You could fly at 80-85 mph, but you really have to keep the nose down to maintain level flight and you can feel the airframe start to vibrate above this speed.

The Vne is 110 mph, yes, mph.

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 Post subject: Re: Cub vs Air Cam on Floats
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On 8.50 x 6 tires my Legend Cub (180 hp) indicates 105-110 mph at cruise (2450 rpm) or 91 kts. Big bush wheels would slow it down, but according to what I hear floats are not as negative on speed (seems counter-intuitive).

Both the Air-Cam and Cub are slow by any definition, but there is a big difference between 100 mph and 70 mph. On a 200 mile trip, there is almost an hour difference.

The difference really manifests itself in a head wind. 20 mph on the nose and the cub does the same 200 mile trip in 2.5 hours, the Air-Cam takes 4 hours.

Apology for using statute miles and mph, just easier for the example.

Both are fun, just different strengths. Air-Cam was designed as a camera platform to fly over very unforgiving terrain. The cub....well everyone knows the Piper Cub story.


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 Post subject: Re: Cub vs Air Cam on Floats
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I'm leaning toward a husky, 200hp, and amphibs.
I don't need to take off or land in 600', but being able to do my "milk run" of 360 miles at 110-120kts makes it more appealing. now I just need to find one. seems like the market is inflated right now.

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I just did a 4 hour trip in my Husky. Maybe mine is just slow, but I doubt a Husky on amphibs will do 120.

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I just did a 4 hour trip in my Husky. Maybe mine is just slow, but I doubt a Husky on amphibs will do 120.


what kind of gear do you have, and what are you seeing for airspeed?

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VNE for a husky on wiplines is 115kias. Cruise is going to be about 100knots, though slowing down a bit will help on the fuel economy.

If you plan on doing much docking, you may want to look at the 180hp husky to have the carbureted engine. Science has proven an injected engine in a seaplane never wants to hot start when your drifting towards a hazard :)


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I have a bunch of hours in a cub on floats.
This one was stripped bare of all possible weight, and had a fixed climb prop on it.
Engine red-line in cruise was 65 mph.

It was available for any licensed pilot in the air taxi my dad ran, to be used for recreation. (Out of Ketchikan AK)
During deer season we usually removed the starter, battery and seat cushions to make it lighter...as the hunters wanted to take it places the 185/beavers could not go.

Hand propping a float plane was always fun...
Part of the passenger briefing was if I fall off after starting the airplane before I get back into the pilots seat... pull this knob(Mixture)

In the weight stripped condition with my 18yr old 145lb self solo it was amazing.
You could easily fly formation with the migrating geese...
You pull up beside them drop a notch of flaps and slow down....


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Flew for a few hours again today. First time seeing Monument Valley features from the Husky...a whole lot more interesting than from the MU-2 in the flight levels as I had experienced it previously on several trips. And by the way, I recommend UT-25 (Monument Valley Airport); rooms & amenities are only “ok”, but the location for exploring Powell and Monument are excellent.
I have un-faired extended Seaplanes North gear with the 850’s for winter...took skis off mains for this trip but left tailski. 100-105 kts max lean

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150 with 150HP engine on floats. Biggest issue is entry and exit.

On subject- the AirCam was designed to fly at gross on one engine but needs a ME and it is not a forty year old overpriced aircraft Why are these two aircraft your short list?


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150 with 150HP engine on floats. Biggest issue is entry and exit.

On subject- the AirCam was designed to fly at gross on one engine but needs a ME and it is not a forty year old overpriced aircraft Why are these two aircraft your short list?


Something is overpriced only if no one is buying it.

If it's selling at that price, it's not overpriced. It's priced to the market.

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Why are these two aircraft your short list?


no particular reason. I always thought the aircam looked cool- and I have the ME so that's not an issue. but I'd like to have the ability to make a cross country.

150/180 would be a cool option; husky, or supercub (probably a bit slower tho).

i also looked at a Maule- hard for me to love the shape; but I like the company.

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Superdog converted 540 L-19 on floats might work


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How bout a PA-12 Super Cruiser with the 150hp STC? They are cheaper to buy and have 95% of the performance? There is a little more room in the cabin and it is a little faster because of the wing angle of incidence and gear that is less bulky when not on floats.


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Just a regular old Bird Dog is a lot of fun....

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trouble is the useful load of a PA-12 on floats especially with 150hp if amphibs it could be single place.

There is a gross increase kit but will need to be welded in. more weight. Adding flaps would be nice to help getting off. The 160hp is noticeably better than 150 but higher octane fuel needed.

If you ever change the bungees on the stock PA-12 gear you will run out and buy a cub gear to replace them It’s a wild time being in the cockpit with the stretched bungees and the tool plus a long pipe all aimed to cause significant bodily injury if something slips. To do that every time changing from floats to wheels I’d switch over to the PA-18 gear quickly.

12 cabin width would be much nicer. Add the cathedral ceiling baggage mod and there is a good bit of room. It would need to be a custom rebuild with floats in mind and mods made at that time. A new fuselage frame with mods already setup might be cheaper option.


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