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 Post subject: Cub vs Air Cam on Floats
PostPosted: 20 Apr 2020, 15:32 
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The flying I'm doing now is essentially all-business, and even though I love it, it's not "fun" in the way it was when I was arcing around in a 172 or A36.

so i've been thinking it would be fun to have something to fart around on weekends, and have looked really hard at the Air Cam, but I'm a bit loathe to get back into an experimental (ie, it might be difficult to sell).

Super-cub on amphibs? or Aircam on amphibs? what say you? (I live close to the coast, and I am enamored with the idea of floats).

how hard is it to sell a supercub?

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 Post subject: Re: Cub vs Air Cam on Floats
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If you haven't already, get your seaplane rating. Although lots of fun landing on water, I’ve found seaplanes to be a combination of a bad airplane and a bad boat. Burns lots of fuel going slow, and sluggish in roll. Insurance can also get real $$$

Air-Cams seem to have a pretty large following, and most seem to sell for around the cost of the materials to build one. If you haven’t been around an Air-Cam much, parts of their construction are more similar to an ultralight than a pa18 or Husky, which may or may not be an issue for you.

I would think that both would be selling to a similar audience, that are in a similar situation to you. The biggest resale hit will be landing in salt water, which might scare away many buyers.


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There's a flight school just south of Birmingham, AL that has an AirCam on floats if you wanted to get a feel for one.

https://www.waterwings.com/copy-of-aircam-training


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A Super Cub is an easy sell in any config. Usually over-priced for what they are (especially when you're buying) but their performance and handling are basically unaffected by the addition of floats. In fact the J-3s are Jack Browns on floats perform better than most J-3s on wheels I've flown!

CAUTION: Don't go get a float plane rating unless you can afford to buy a float plane! Float flying is more contagious than COVID-19!

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awesome. thanks guys. keep them coming...

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You need a seaplane.

Find a Widgeon if you want to have some serious fun:

-Extremely well made
-useful 6 person airplane
-fast enough to go somewhere 140kts
-hauls a load, a real 6 person and bags and full fuel airplane
-flies like a fighter

-Air Cam flies truly terrible and is totally impractical. A Searey LSX is the most bang for the buck fun you can have if you don't want to spend Widgeon money.


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 Post subject: Re: Cub vs Air Cam on Floats
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+1 on the seaplane rating first. And remember that the AirCam requires a multi-engine sea.

Also +1 on seaplane flying being the most fun thing in the entire world. No exaggeration.

Oh, and the cost. . . . .

If it's true that a boat is a hole in the water into which you throw money and an airplane is a hole in the sky into which you throw money, a seaplane is holes with you throwing money in both directions!


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If it's true that a boat is a hole in the water into which you throw money and an airplane is a hole in the sky into which you throw money, a seaplane is holes with you throwing money in both directions!

Maybe in a relative sense but I struggle to imagine a Searay sucking as much money as my current ride.

A Widgeon OTOH... but wow, yeah, I'd like a Widgeon.

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I have only ridden in an Air Cam once, but I have owned multiple Cubs (all on wheels).

I currently have a Super Legend Cub- basically a Super Cub. I went flying on Sunday morning with both doors open, got a little chilly, and closed the doors. You can do that in an Air Cam. An Air Cam is a commitment to open air flying. It is beyond awesome, until you get cold. I would also imagine that cross country flying in an Air Cam is more difficult than in a Super Cub.

To summarize my thoughts: for local flying in good weather for pure fun: go Air Cam. If you want to travel at all, fly in colder weather, with a lower (maybe) entry price, with a (maybe) larger market for exit: go Super Cub and still have a lot of fun.


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If I lived on the gulf coast with enough beach to launch and land it, an Aircam would be a much cooler jetski type of toy. A Supercub with both floats (a few months) and wheels (the rest) would be my choice just about anywhere else.

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Husky? looks like a Super Cub still in production.

have .7 in a Husky- it was cool.

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Maybe in a relative sense but I struggle to imagine a Searay sucking as much money as my current ride.

Neither would a moped. :D


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In case you have seen it already, the Aircam can now be built with a enclosed canopy.


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Husky? looks like a Super Cub still in production.

have .7 in a Husky- it was cool.


I love the Husky, and think you can get way more airplane for the dollar than you can in a 180hp Super Cub. Well equipped, well restored PA-18s go for crazy money. You can find very nice, modern Huskies with very low time for the same or less.


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Find something with more composite than metal. Chasing corrosion sucks.


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