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 Post subject: Re: Citation M2 does it get any better?
PostPosted: 05 Jun 2020, 14:57 
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Crosswind landings through,,eeeew,, HDJT sucks.


Yeah it's... ahh, different. you gotta drive it like a car with aileron, opposite of how you handle most planes in a crosswind with rudder.

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Crosswind landings through,,eeeew,, HDJT sucks.


Yeah it's... ahh, different. you gotta drive it like a car with aileron, opposite of how you handle most planes in a crosswind with rudder.


Would you still get a HondaJet knowing what you know now?
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Would you still get a HondaJet knowing what you know now?


Did they fix the "putting in full fuel" problem with the latest iteration of it? I seem to recall some problem making it time consuming to tank up for max range.

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No.

The "fix" was to put a light next to the fuel port that says "go slow" when the line guy is dribbling in the last gallons. And even then you need to be pointed downhill and run the fuel pumps to get it really, truly full.

But you can get it reasonably full with some instruction to the line guy and a $20 tip.

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Would you still get a HondaJet knowing what you know now?


Of course I would never get one to begin with, but my client just traded in their 3 year old one for a brand new Elite... they love it. It's fun to fly, super quiet, fast. The Elite also has an extra seat (belted lav) and extra 90 lbs of fuel.

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No.

The "fix" was to put a light next to the fuel port that says "go slow" when the line guy is dribbling in the last gallons. And even then you need to be pointed downhill and run the fuel pumps to get it really, truly full.

But you can get it reasonably full with some instruction to the line guy and a $20 tip.

A real shame.


Seems fixed on ours. The old plane was a real bear unless you left it 200 lbs shy... this one you can fill it up all the way but you do need to go slow at the end.

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Is the potty seat in a 525 a legal seat with a seatbelt? It seems some advertisements say six pax and some say five...? Can they be retrofitted to be a legal seat?


In some planes it is, some it’s not. It was an option for the for the 6th seat.

I have the option and used it a couple of times on flights with kids in the back, they enjoy it back there but no adult would.

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Is the potty seat in a 525 a legal seat with a seatbelt? It seems some advertisements say six pax and some say five...? Can they be retrofitted to be a legal seat?


In some planes it is, some it’s not. It was an option for the for the 6th seat.

I have the option and used it a couple of times on flights with kids in the back, they enjoy it back there but no adult would.

I have six daughters. My youngest can’t wait to get in the airplane to pee.
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Complete lack of room in the cockpit? The same (or maybe just a tad worse)
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Go fly one and see if you like the cockpit seating position if you are over 6' tall then get back with me.


Mark,

Is the weakness in cockpit comfort attributable to the width, height or length of the space? Or all? If height/length, is it addressed in the CJ3, with the cabin stretch, or is the seat travel similarly limited?

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I fly an m2 at 6'2 and have no issues. It's much more comfortable than our straight cj.


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Complete lack of room in the cockpit? The same (or maybe just a tad worse)
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Go fly one and see if you like the cockpit seating position if you are over 6' tall then get back with me.


Mark,

Is the weakness in cockpit comfort attributable to the width, height or length of the space? Or all? If height/length, is it addressed in the CJ3, with the cabin stretch, or is the seat travel similarly limited?

Thanks,

RW


Unequivocally it’s length, the damn yoke is under your chin when flying it and there is no recline to speak of. Definitely the CJ3 is better ....it’s pretty bad when the Mustang cockpit blows the whole Citation line away for cockpit comfort.
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I recently sold my Mustang and was looking at the M2. Great aircraft but too big a price jump for me. Considering the CJ1+, or maybe back to pistons as my need is not so great anymore,
Baron G58, Bonanza G36 or SR22T?
Enjoying the process.

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I recently sold my Mustang and was looking at the M2. Great aircraft but too big a price jump for me. Considering the CJ1+, or maybe back to pistons as my need is not so great anymore,
Baron G58, Bonanza G36 or SR22T?
Enjoying the process.


That is quite a jump from the Mustang to M2. When my mission no longer warrants a jet, and I transition out of the Mustang, it will no doubt be back into an early model Meridian. You just can’t beat the performance / cost ratio.

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I recently sold my Mustang and was looking at the M2. Great aircraft but too big a price jump for me. Considering the CJ1+, or maybe back to pistons as my need is not so great anymore,
Baron G58, Bonanza G36 or SR22T?
Enjoying the process.



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