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 Post subject: Pilatus PC-12 NG
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I’m heading to school on the 28th for the PC-12 NG. I’m going to SimCom in Orlando. I have no time in the NG and would like to get some thoughts and tips from you guys that have experience in them. Lately I have been in legacy citations and conquests. I’m not familiar with the Apex system.

I do have time in the legacy PC-12. The only thing that has me concerned is the Apex system. I’d like to hear some dos and donts from guys flying them.

The plane is a 2013 PC-12NG.

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 Post subject: Re: Pilatus PC-12 NG
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I had only flown Garmin before learning Apex. At first Apex was somewhat frustrating but after getting proficient on the Apex I like it much better than Garmin.

I also did initial training at Simcom Orlando back in 2016. First 3 days was all videos learning Apex. About killed me. The simulator constantly broke. My instructor was Brian B who at the time was the PC12NG lead instructor. Great guy and definitely the best part of the training.


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I'll be heading there soon too, I was hoping they'd get the Scottsdale sim up and running but now they're saying late may at the earliest, and maybe later due to corona virus mayhem slowing things down.

As for Apex, it's easy once you get the hang of it. It's very intuitive and just works. Don't try to fight it, just learn to program the FMS and get proficient with setting things up properly and then everything runs great. If you try to fight it by falling back on green needles you'll probably struggle during the initial. You might want to take the 2 day extra course on Apex because they assume you know it when you start the initial. I'm on year 4 recurrent this year.

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When I did the initial course in 2016, if I recall correctly the first two days of the 5-day initial course was dedicated to the APEX system while sitting in the simulator. There are a ton of videos on youtube produced by Honeywell going over the Pilatus APEX system as well. Once you get familiar with the avionics suite, I think you will grow to like it.


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What Adam said.

Don't try to short-circuit the initialization and start process. If you do it it's way, it's a true pleasure to operate.

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I had only flown Garmin before learning Apex. At first Apex was somewhat frustrating but after getting proficient on the Apex I like it much better than Garmin.

I also did initial training at Simcom Orlando back in 2016. First 3 days was all videos learning Apex. About killed me. The simulator constantly broke. My instructor was Brian B who at the time was the PC12NG lead instructor. Great guy and definitely the best part of the training.


Hopefully they have fixed the sim. I think ill be OK with actually flying the plane, I’ve started watching the online videos on the Apex system and those are helping understand the logic.

What’s y’alls normal boot up/Start up procedure?

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Hopefully they have fixed the sim. I think ill be OK with actually flying the plane, I’ve started watching the online videos on the Apex system and those are helping understand the logic.



If you have access to the airplane, plug it up to the GPU and run through the startup procedures, load arrivals, amend routes, change destinations, etc. Like John said, there is a lot of Honeywell videos that take you through just about everything. The system is only one menu level deep so it’s pretty simple when you get the overall logic. The vnav is the absolute best, I use it every flight.

I sent a pilot to flight safety recurrent similar to your situation. He had 1500 of legacy time but no NG. Before recurrent, we spent some time on the GPU and had about 5 hours of flight time. He made it through without any issue and isn’t that technically inclined. SimCom might give you some sit time with the avionics powered up to do all of the above. If you have the opportunity for GPU or some sim time before class, you shouldn’t have any issue with the recurrent class, however I wouldn’t show up to the recurrent without some hands on apex time or you could struggle depending on your instructor.


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What’s y’alls normal boot up/Start up procedure?


With ‘good’ batteries...
Start my preflight in the cockpit, checking switch positions etc. leaving the cockpit, I’ll turn on the standby bus, complete the rest of the preflight, return and load the flight plan. Within 10minutes of pax arriving, turn on both batteries, set flaps 15. With good batteries, I’ve left the standby bus on for 45min and still had well over 24v+ for a good start.

A lot of new NG pilots will complain about the ‘boot up’ time, but with good batteries and a little planning, there is no waiting on the avionics.

Hope this helps. Good luck!


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What’s y’alls normal boot up/Start up procedure?


Simcom procedure is basically do the preflight checklist, then STBY Bus ON, wait for terrain to render on the bottom MFD, then EPS switch to test and hold for 5 seconds and make sure the light doesn't go off, then ARM, wait for STBY Efis to say "aligning" then battery 1 and 2 on. For starting the engine press the start button and then wait for 13.8% NG to move into ground idle, or else if the motor is hot let the start motor until 150 degC or less before introducing fuel. You'll get all that stuff pretty quick.

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I’m heading to school on the 28th for the PC-12 NG. I’m going to SimCom in Orlando. I have no time in the NG and would like to get some thoughts and tips from you guys that have experience in them. Lately I have been in legacy citations and conquests. I’m not familiar with the Apex system.

I do have time in the legacy PC-12. The only thing that has me concerned is the Apex system. I’d like to hear some dos and donts from guys flying them.

The plane is a 2013 PC-12NG.


Sorry to be ignorant on the subject, what does NG mean? Please don’t tell me nose gear.


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I’ll be Simcom Orlando in April

Plug in a GPu and Start clicking.

When you first arrive at the plane, turn on Standby Bus then go preflight.


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Sorry to be ignorant on the subject, what does NG mean? Please don’t tell me nose gear.


Next Gen, I believe.


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Sorry to be ignorant on the subject, what does NG mean? Please don’t tell me nose gear.


Next Gen, I believe.


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