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 Post subject: Flying the PC-24
PostPosted: 08 Mar 2020, 20:27 
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Thought I’d share my experience training and flying the PC-24. We took delivery of a brand new one last week!

I spent the better part of the month of Feb training in Dallas at Flight Safety International, getting my first single pilot type in the PC-24. Flight Safety is currently the only provider of training in the PC-24 however as of later this month, there will be an in plane option.

The course is LONG, I arrived Jan 27th and left Feb 16th. I suspect this is to accommodate the avionics transition to the Honeywell ACE avionics. Having had significant experience in the PC-12 NG, the transition was very easy. It’s basically the same which is a big advantage for owners moving up. Those who have flown the Honeywell Epic know the beauty of it.

The training was pretty well designed. I think Flight Safety is a top quality provider. This is my 3rd type so I’ve been around the block. The plane was well designed for single pilot. It really accomplishes most SIC responsibilities automatically, the level of automation is astounding. My sim partner was doing the SIC required type so I was able to see it both ways. While acting as SIC I noticed my sim partner looked very bored. I felt very well prepared for the type ride and it went smoothly. I became the 243rd recipient of the PC-24 type in the world :dance:

Last week we took delivery of the real thing! It does not disappoint! The interior is incredible, it’s blows the Citation XL I fly away in most categories. The short field performance is astounding. The plane is completely comfortable on 3000’ or less full fuel on a hot day. Low pressure tires and an aggressively large lift dump system make stopping quick easy.

Climb performance is strong at gross to 450 on a hot day mid 20 minutes to TOC. The space inside is HUGE. We have the 6 seat exec configuration and there is a ton of extra space. We flew from Tampa to LA last week, we needed a stop on the way out due to large winds but it made it home nonstop in 4.5 with a full hour of fuel left.

The gross weight leaves a little to be desired. At 18,300 MTOW it’s a bit lighter than most similar sized jets. It’s a bit slower as well with a .74 MMO. Heavy and high it will start at .69 and creeps it’s way up to MMO after burning 1/3 a tank.

All in all it lives up to the title “The Super Versatile Jet”. The huge trademark Pilatus cargo door makes loading easy. The lack of an APU is replaced by Williams “Quiet Power Mode” which runs the right engine at sub idle speeds to run systems (although no bleed air). I truly believe this will become the best selling jet in its class! I expected a lot from Pilatus having loved the PC-12 and got more than I expected out of the 24.

Here’s a few pic of the plane! N# blurred for the owners privacy. Anyone else here flying one yet?


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 Post subject: Re: Flying the PC-24
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Beautiful. Thanks for the write up.


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 Post subject: Re: Flying the PC-24
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The lack of an APU is replaced by Williams “Quiet Power Mode” which runs the right engine at sub idle speeds to run systems (although no bleed air).

Mike. The Pilatus website says it can heat and cool the cabin with quiet mode. Is this an option you have to pay for since you said you don’t have bleed air?


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 Post subject: Re: Flying the PC-24
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Awesome write up! Thanks for putting it up.

I have heard from another operator that range/payload is less than they had hoped for? What’s payload on yours with full fuel?


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Great write up Mike.

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The Pilatus website says it can heat and cool the cabin with quiet mode. Is this an option you have to pay for since you said you don’t have bleed air?


From my understanding, the PC24 has both electric heat/cooling and ACS environmental systems. When in QPM, it's using the electric environmental systems to heat/cool.


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New favorite thread right here. Thanks!


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 Post subject: Re: Flying the PC-24
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What does fuel burn look like at FL450?

The APU concept is neat, except as a single pilot it's use practically is little to none since you aren't going to leave the cockpit with an engine running. The Phenom 300 has a similar feature and I have never used it.

I had a chance to see a PC24 in Henderson when I landed a few months back and I agree the cabin seems wider than the 300. Height seemed similar. I did notice the PC24 interior seemed more utilitarian and not as plush as I thought it would be.

The short field performance is impressive. Your MTOW is nearly identical to the 300.


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Great write up Mike. What about the Honeywell ACE? They are supposably putting that in the Sj30 as well and mentioned at least 2 weeks learning curve. I assume its a sweet system? Similar to Dassault Falcon Honeywells?

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For your viewing pleasure the W&B on our a/c. Our full fuel payload is 572.....

The qpm mode as stated does give electric heat and cool. We haven’t had any extreme weather to test it with but it does seem to work well. Your limited to 250a output in qpm but so far that does not seem to be a factor.


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wow, so what is the range like with 1200lbs in the cabin? Could you do 1300miles in no wind with that load ?

I wonder if this one of those planes that the gross weight increases over time. 572lbs of payload is not that much. Seems like, with the runway performance, they could lift more off the ground!


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wow, so what is the range like with 1200lbs in the cabin? Could you do 1300miles in no wind with that load ?

I wonder if this one of those planes that the gross weight increases over time. 572lbs of payload is not that much. Seems like, with the runway performance, they could lift more off the ground!


It will carry 1200 payload 1300nm with no issue. More like 1600nm landing with 1000#s at high speed cruise power settings. Holds 6000# of fuel so that gives you some flexibility.

I couldn’t get ForeFlight to to do a no wind NAV log but here are two flights for TEB-TEX. This is with a 11,740# plane.

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9% battery?! How do you live like that?!?! :scratch: :D

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9% battery?! How do you live like that?!?! :scratch: :D


Lol. Let's hope Arnie doesn't see that.

Awesome jet. Glad to see they made a reality of what we were trying to do with the Grob SpN years ago.


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Nice write up Mike. I am glad you mentioned the short field capabilities. I parked next to one at O69 (Petaluma) a couple of weeks ago. The first thing I noticed was it's a big plane. Makes my TBM look small. The runway there is 3600 feet, and I also thought that's impressive to be coming and going out of here.

The pilot was not around so all I got was a close look walk around. Quite a well crafted machine, I must say. :bow:

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