Maybe I’m biased but I’m surprised this is a question! No contest for me

A great aircraft, well chosen!

Maybe I’m biased but I’m surprised this is a question! No contest for me

Chip-
Not following. Is there a 10-yr year OH on the mustang, that’s not on the Phenom?

It's the opposite, the Phenom 100 has a very expensive 120 month inspection / gear overhaul. The values of the Phenoms dropped considerably once these gear overhauls started hitting and buyers realized how expensive they were. We are talking hundreds of thousands of dollars, most operators didn't realize a gear overhaul on a light jet could be that expensive.

It's the opposite, the Phenom 100 has a very expensive 120 month inspection / gear overhaul. The values of the Phenoms dropped considerably once these gear overhauls started hitting and buyers realized how expensive they were. We are talking hundreds of thousands of dollars, most operators didn't realize a gear overhaul on a light jet could be that expensive.[/quote]

Chip's got it above but here is are my comments;

The gear OH should not be that expensive AND should have been made clear by the original sales people, Phenom, to the buyers and every resale since. The shops qualified to do MX on them should also have a calendar/hours chart that is filled out on every plane they service, owner should have it too, that details what is coming up and when. If the buyer does not have someone like Chip working for them to teach them what they don't know they don't know then buyer beware.

OK rant off.

Chip's got it above but here is are my comments;

The gear OH should not be that expensive AND should have been made clear by the original sales people, Phenom, to the buyers and every resale since. The shops qualified to do MX on them should also have a calendar/hours chart that is filled out on every plane they service, owner should have it too, that details what is coming up and when. If the buyer does not have someone like Chip working for them to teach them what they don't know they don't know then buyer beware.

OK rant off.[/quote]

I'm thankful that we didn't acquire any P100's during the time when the cost wasn't well known. It's always a tough position to be in, you don't want to run down the airplane or exaggerate a risk... we did have a couple of Phenom 100 clients that ended up choosing other models for various reasons, one was because of the gear and that was before anyone knew how bad it could be.

The good news is the potential exposure is now known, the cost seems to be coming down and the parts issues seem to be better.

I like the Phenom, would not hesitate to acquire one for a client, just a few things you have to know going in.

It's the opposite, the Phenom 100 has a very expensive 120 month inspection / gear overhaul. The values of the Phenoms dropped considerably once these gear overhauls started hitting and buyers realized how expensive they were. We are talking hundreds of thousands of dollars, most operators didn't realize a gear overhaul on a light jet could be that expensive.

One of the quotes I bring with me from Jason:

"Rich people get sick of paying through the nose, too".

I totally agree that mandated overhaul costs like that are ridiculous. I stay away from indebted servitude whenever I can. I'd make an exception for the P180, though, as it's not mandatory for part 91 there.

I was sending the owner of the Mustang we manage a maintenance update and figured I could pass it on here as well.

This year we only have flown about 100 hours, have had zero unscheduled maintenance events, and have spent a total of $1800 in parts/labor at WestStar for required inspections with the next round being due in January.

Granted, last year our 72 month items were due (largest ones on the Mustang) in conjunction with some 36 month items for an out the door bill of around $35k. These planes are incredibly economical to fly, makes me think I can own one some day...

Does the $1,800 include the inspections themselves, or just the squawks resulting from the inspections? I assume not. What were the inspection costs?

This year was an anomaly, but $1,800 all in for the inspections is what we're forecast to pay including any findings. The service center signed us off for January, with our reduced flight hours our next 12 month event is not until January, and that $1800 covered the oil chip inspections and 2 other minor inspections. Looking at my cheat sheet an average year carries about $10-14k of flat rate inspections.

If this year ends smoothly my last 172 annual cost double of what we spent on the jet!

Granted we're on the parts program (didn't need any parts this year and not renewing), and the engine program that both cost a sizeable amount of money.

Being sent from 410. TAS 345kts. 78 gph. GS 405kte

Gotta love 345KTAS at 520pph.

Ah, so it's not so much that the maintenance for the year only cost $1800 as that you don't include the pre-paid maintenance amounts in that $1800?