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 Post subject: Re: If the Mustang does your mission, it's darn near perfect
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For what its worth a recent estimate for the 10 year inspection from a factory authorized center is "around $235,000 and two months down time". That's $23,500 per year to cover that one inspection :eek:.

That’s just stupid.

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 Post subject: Re: If the Mustang does your mission, it's darn near perfect
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Active winglets?


You mean like these?

http://youtu.be/6mbIRXnCSts


You can clearly hear the crew expletive, had I been in the cockpit you would have heard the throttles slamming against the flight idle stops.
( no jet time here).

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Shamelessly bumping this thread!

I love the Mustang and we love doing Mustang acquisitions...

We just closed another Mustang purchase. It's a sweet little 2011 with Power Advantage + and we bought it well behind the current market.

The Mustang market is unique, people trade up every few years, it seems that there is always an airplane and always a buyer.

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I agree Chip. When Mark Wyant’s went up on the market had I been ready, I’d have bought it. Sharp plane and it (the Mustang) does all I need well, except for the 120 mile trip to my mother in laws. I continue to be amazed every time I ride in my friend’s.


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120nm trips are fun in the Mustang. Certainly not maximizing its capability, but it’s a fun 25 minutes.

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120nm trips are fun in the Mustang. Certainly not maximizing its capability, but it’s a fun 25 minutes.


And the cool thing is you can do it without buying a fuel farm!

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are the Mustang and the M2 close enough to compare, or are they in different classes?

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I'd say they are different. Speed, fuel burn, maintenance, cabin size are all more. Both great airplanes, but can't beat the simplicity of a mustang.

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are the Mustang and the M2 close enough to compare, or are they in different classes?

Very different.

M2 is really a 525. Mustang is a 510. Different engine family, type rating, basic design, etc. M2 greatly out performs the Mustang in speed, range, payload.

Mustangs have a reputation for difficult starts when cold and high altitude. The PW615F engine just doesn't light off for some reason under those conditions. The only treatment seems to be avoiding those airports or heated hangar for several hours. Not every example is afflicted equally.

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I’ve never had a no start in my 1,000 hours in the Mustang. Some guys just have to rain on the parade.

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are the Mustang and the M2 close enough to compare, or are they in different classes?

M2 is about 15% faster, goes about 10% farther, burns about 20% more. Payload differences are mission dependent. Full fuel, the Mustang actually has more available payload, but if you back the M2 range to the same as the Mustang, the M2 would have about 200lbs more available. The comparisons are significant, but not huge. As far as different classes, they’re similar.

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Well, there is the 2.5x cap ex on the M2 vs the Mustang. That’s a thing too…


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are the Mustang and the M2 close enough to compare, or are they in different classes?

M2 is about 15% faster, goes about 10% farther, burns about 20% more. Payload differences are mission dependent. Full fuel, the Mustang actually has more available payload, but if you back the M2 range to the same as the Mustang, the M2 would have about 200lbs more available. The comparisons are significant, but not huge. As far as different classes, they’re similar.


Bigger difference than performance would maybe be the "525" cabin vs 510 cabin?

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M2 is about 15% faster, goes about 10% farther, burns about 20% more. Payload differences are mission dependent. Full fuel, the Mustang actually has more available payload, but if you back the M2 range to the same as the Mustang, the M2 would have about 200lbs more available. The comparisons are significant, but not huge. As far as different classes, they’re similar.


Bigger difference than performance would maybe be the "525" cabin vs 510 cabin?

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Yeah. Rear lav.

Not knocking the Mustang, though. If I had the money and only needed to fly 3-4 people around, it would be at the top of my list.
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I had no idea jet engines could have starting issues when hot/cold :scratch:


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