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Post subject: Re: If the Mustang does your mission, it's darn near perfect Posted: 12 Feb 2020, 16:45 |
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Joined: 05/23/13 Posts: 6784 Post Likes: +7324 Company: Jet Acquisitions Location: Franklin, TN 615-739-9091 chip@jetacq.com
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Username Protected wrote: Chip thank you for your points of these markets - I do appreciate them and I am learning. I do love our Duke but moving from the Bonanza to the Duke does get one hooked on speed and the search for more and more speed - working to figure the path to turbines.
Ken
You're welcome Ken, give me a call if you have questions... many are on your journey, most are skipping the Duke or for that matter any piston twin, so you are probably in better shape than many! We generally have a couple of folks a year who are transitioning from piston single to turbine. I love the fact that Cirrus is bringing new blood into aviation, we just have to meet the challenge of progressing them to airplanes like the Mustang... or maybe an M600 / TBM850 along the way.
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Post subject: Re: If the Mustang does your mission, it's darn near perfect Posted: 12 Feb 2020, 18:26 |
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Joined: 01/01/10 Posts: 3450 Post Likes: +2395 Location: Roseburg, Oregon
Aircraft: Citation Mustang
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Username Protected wrote: 441 is an amazing plane. -10's are great. Long range, fast, low fuel burn, lots of payload. Downside is noise, altitude (love 410), 40 years old. But for a specific mission...can't beat it. Especially with a Garmin TXI panel and a new AP.
I have that in the PC12. What I'm looking for is increased speed, still have the range AND get above most weather. Even at 30k I'm still looking at nasty weather, especially when crossing fronts. I got the jet guys giggling as they pass overhead CAVU The next legitimate step above the Mustang is a CJ3+. It offers everything you need, except a thinner checkbook.
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Post subject: Re: If the Mustang does your mission, it's darn near perfect Posted: 12 Feb 2020, 20:28 |
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Joined: 03/03/11 Posts: 1858 Post Likes: +1828
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Username Protected wrote: 441 is an amazing plane. -10's are great. Long range, fast, low fuel burn, lots of payload. Downside is noise, altitude (love 410), 40 years old. But for a specific mission...can't beat it. Especially with a Garmin TXI panel and a new AP.
I have that in the PC12. What I'm looking for is increased speed, still have the range AND get above most weather. Even at 30k I'm still looking at nasty weather, especially when crossing fronts. I got the jet guys giggling as they pass overhead CAVU
You need a Piaggio:-). Jet speed, has better efficiency than your pc12, holds your entire crew and looks cool. What else matters :-)
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Post subject: Re: If the Mustang does your mission, it's darn near perfect Posted: 12 Feb 2020, 20:57 |
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Joined: 01/12/10 Posts: 404 Post Likes: +782 Location: Dallas, Texas
Aircraft: Piaggio P180, TTx
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Username Protected wrote: You need a Piaggio:-). Jet speed, has better efficiency than your pc12, holds your entire crew and looks cool. What else matters :-)[/quote] What about support from the factory? I hear tons of scare stories about owning two so one can be kept dispatch ready for parts..... (probably BS but still scary). Have you found a good source for the gear overhaul? Are there parts issues with that?
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Post subject: Re: If the Mustang does your mission, it's darn near perfect Posted: 12 Feb 2020, 21:00 |
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Joined: 10/15/15 Posts: 70 Post Likes: +37 Location: EDDS
Aircraft: C510
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I consider the Mustang to be a very capable and safe aircraft for owner-pilots: - Modern twin jet. - Excellent systems architecture providing robust safety (e.g. pressurization, avionics) and - low work load for single pilot operations. Integrated avionics, FADEC. Quite easy to fly. - One of the lowest runway requirements in the jet world. Contrary to props: balanced field length safety. - One of the lowest specific fuel consumptions in the jet class - on most missions lower than a King Air C90. - Good OEI performance, especially when the runway is long enough to depart flaps up. - Good climb performance: 20 min to FL370 at MTOM, ISA and cruise climb (170 KIAS / M0.44). 27 min to FL410 clearing most weather at cabin altitude 8,000 ft. - You get book performance or a few knots better (depending inter alia on remaining power margin of the engines). Always. Some competitors do tune air data to show better (resulting in stronger headwinds then tailwinds on the opposite track). - Full fuel results in payload 800 lbs (including owner-pilot) and 1,150 NM range (NBAA, IFR, 100 NM alternate). Tanks topped off will be 160 lbs above AFM, giving about 100 NM more range (at less payload). The Mustang is a 4 person 1,000 NM mission aircraft - not more, not less - cruising normally at about 340 KTAS. - Very low noise level in front, some noise near the door, quiet in the back. - Outside view is limited in climb. Runway view is limited with strong crosswinds from the left due to the pretty wide divider between the cockpit windows.
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Post subject: Re: If the Mustang does your mission, it's darn near perfect Posted: 12 Feb 2020, 21:52 |
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Joined: 09/02/09 Posts: 8448 Post Likes: +8426 Company: OAA Location: Oklahoma City - PWA/Calistoga KSTS
Aircraft: UMF3, UBF 2, P180 II
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Username Protected wrote: Love mine. Importantly, I feel like I can fly It SP late into my life. Big boy features...FADEC, VNAV, Syn Viz, Autopress, TLG, glass, electric glass windshield, 90-100 gph block. 80 gph at 40,000, good hangar footprint. You are becoming a type rating collector!
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Post subject: Re: If the Mustang does your mission, it's darn near perfect Posted: 12 Feb 2020, 21:55 |
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Joined: 05/29/13 Posts: 13586 Post Likes: +10972 Company: Easy Ice, LLC Location: Marquette, Michigan; Scottsdale, AZ, Telluride
Aircraft: C510,C185,C310,R66
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Username Protected wrote: Love mine. Importantly, I feel like I can fly It SP late into my life. Big boy features...FADEC, VNAV, Syn Viz, Autopress, TLG, glass, electric glass windshield, 90-100 gph block. 80 gph at 40,000, good hangar footprint. You are becoming a type rating collector!
500,510,525.
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Post subject: Re: If the Mustang does your mission, it's darn near perfect Posted: 12 Feb 2020, 22:27 |
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Joined: 11/10/13 Posts: 873 Post Likes: +486 Location: Kcir
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Chip,
I am also a fan of the Mustang. Seemed like the price point got down to close to 1M a few years ago. Some rebound. What’s the market like now?
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Post subject: Re: If the Mustang does your mission, it's darn near perfect Posted: 12 Feb 2020, 22:51 |
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Joined: 05/29/13 Posts: 13586 Post Likes: +10972 Company: Easy Ice, LLC Location: Marquette, Michigan; Scottsdale, AZ, Telluride
Aircraft: C510,C185,C310,R66
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Username Protected wrote: Chip,
I am also a fan of the Mustang. Seemed like the price point got down to close to 1M a few years ago. Some rebound. What’s the market like now? $1.3-$2.1
_________________ Mark Hangen Deputy Minister of Ice (aka FlyingIceperson) Power of the Turbine "Jet Elite"
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Post subject: Re: If the Mustang does your mission, it's darn near perfect Posted: 13 Feb 2020, 15:01 |
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Joined: 05/23/13 Posts: 6784 Post Likes: +7324 Company: Jet Acquisitions Location: Franklin, TN 615-739-9091 chip@jetacq.com
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Username Protected wrote: Chip,
I am also a fan of the Mustang. Seemed like the price point got down to close to 1M a few years ago. Some rebound. What’s the market like now? $1.3-$2.1
YEP!
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Post subject: Re: If the Mustang does your mission, it's darn near perfect Posted: 13 Feb 2020, 16:50 |
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Joined: 09/02/09 Posts: 8448 Post Likes: +8426 Company: OAA Location: Oklahoma City - PWA/Calistoga KSTS
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Anyone ever seen a plane with interior upgrades? Nothing to do with performance but I've always thought Mustang interiors aren't up to the level of other Cessna's much less their competition.
_________________ Travel Air B4000, Waco UBF2,UMF3,YMF5, UPF7,YKS 6, Fairchild 24W, Cessna 120 Never enough!
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Post subject: Re: If the Mustang does your mission, it's darn near perfect Posted: 13 Feb 2020, 18:09 |
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Joined: 07/17/15 Posts: 530 Post Likes: +502 Location: KSRQ
Aircraft: C510
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I had the awful bulkhead fabric replaced, new carpet, and seat re dyed when I had my plane re painted. I like how it turned out.
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Post subject: Re: If the Mustang does your mission, it's darn near perfect Posted: 13 Feb 2020, 21:24 |
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Joined: 12/30/15 Posts: 714 Post Likes: +740 Location: NH; KLEB
Aircraft: M2, erstwhile G58
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Username Protected wrote: Beautiful airplane!
I've always thought of the Mustang interior as modern, but not plush. Some guys have done beautiful jobs with interior re-dos and new paint. Can't beat the Mustang from a capital and operating cost perspective. Even with new paint, new interior and G1000 NXi upgrade, Mustang acquisition cost can be lower than a comparably used C90 GTx and around half of the M2 capital cost on the used market. If you don't need the cargo & people hauling, Mustang is pretty hard to beat. King Air will carry more folks, better short field and better contaminated runway, but loses out in the speed category. As Chip referenced, major downside is finding 510 rated pilots for SOE/mentor time for transitions, and also finding 510 guys if you want a pilot or co-pilot. We are wrestling with that issue now in looking at moving up.
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