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 Post subject: Re: Why buy Bonanza instead of G1 Cirrus SR22
PostPosted: 09 Jan 2020, 19:17 
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The $20,000 G1 repack is what I was quoted from DLK in Kennesaw GA. It is a respected Cirrus repack shop I am told. The G1 Cirrus repack is more costly because something has changed and has to be replaced also, not sure exactly what it is. I was told but really understand since I am not familar with it. I do think the G2 is around $15-18 thousand to repack.
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 Post subject: Re: Why buy Bonanza instead of G1 Cirrus SR22
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This thread is a perfect example of "heresay" on the SR airframe. Trusted CFIs and Mechanics I was confiding in about the airplane steered me int he wrong direction because what they thought they knew was unfounded and incorrect. Luckily things still worked out and I ended up with an amazing G2 that I love dearly.

I also lust after turbines, turbos, pressurizations, twins, jets, and stuff...but for me as an amateur pilot this I have exactly what I need hands down.

When it comes time to repack my plane it will be one of those instances where I fork over the cash and it won't hurt my feelings.


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 Post subject: Re: Why buy Bonanza instead of G1 Cirrus SR22
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Bonanza like a SUV in comparison. And have you ever seen a bird flying around with there Gear Down.


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 Post subject: Re: Why buy Bonanza instead of G1 Cirrus SR22
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Bonanza like a SUV in comparison. And have you ever seen a bird flying around with there Gear Down.


I have never seen a bird fly with its gear down nor have I seen a low wing bird either ;)


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 Post subject: Re: Why buy Bonanza instead of G1 Cirrus SR22
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Lot of reasons for to feel vibrations in a Cirrus cockpit, not just a 4 point mount.


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 Post subject: Re: Why buy Bonanza instead of G1 Cirrus SR22
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I’m curious how Cirrus maintenance can be less than a Bonanza when the yearly chute cost alone is close to a typical base Annual price for a Bonanza?
Sure it’s a simpler airframe, but the Bonanza landing gear is very trouble free. And the Cirrus with its castering nose wheel is almost impossible to use up here for last few weeks because of glare ice on all the ramps. Last year I had to pull one back on the taxiway with my truck because he couldn’t steer. The year before another weathervaned straight across the taxiway.
Judging by the low altitude stall-spins, landing and go-around crashes, I don’t feel the Cirrus is as forgiving design as the Bonanza. Just my opinion, and yes it’s biased. :D
One last thing, for $500k they couldn’t hide the flap hinges? Something Cessna did on every little trainer they made.
Cirrus has built a lot of planes, but the score is still 17000 to 7000 ;)

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 Post subject: Re: Why buy Bonanza instead of G1 Cirrus SR22
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Cirrus has built a lot of planes, but the score is still 17000 to 7000 ;)

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But the 7000 Cirrus log more hours every year than the 17000 Bonanzas...

And the 7000 Cirrus are no more than 20 years old, most being less than 10 years old. While the Bonanzas are mostly 30-40 years old, back when they built more than ten a year. So age costs more. Windshields, windows, interior plastics, hoses, grease seals, etc, all those old parts require replacement and add a lot to the cost of an annual on 30-40 year old planes. Don't forget corrosion control, repainting, etc. The Cirrus hasn't reached that age yet. So it's basically tires & brakes and very minor wear items that don't cost a lot or take much time to do.

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 Post subject: Re: Why buy Bonanza instead of G1 Cirrus SR22
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Ya. Hardly a comparison.

Cirrus sells 300 a year. Beech sells 30.


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 Post subject: Re: Why buy Bonanza instead of G1 Cirrus SR22
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Windshields, windows, interior plastics, hoses, grease seals, etc, all those old parts require replacement and add a lot to the cost of an annual on 30-40 year old planes. Don't forget corrosion control, repainting, etc. The Cirrus hasn't reached that age yet. So it's basically tires & brakes and very minor wear items that don't cost a lot or take much time to do.


You have that backwards. Every time someone comes here and starts talking about expenses for a year the Cirrus is always a lot more expensive. I'm seeing folks report $6-8K annuals on their SR. Insurance 2-3 times what I pay.

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 Post subject: Re: Why buy Bonanza instead of G1 Cirrus SR22
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Ya. Hardly a comparison.

Cirrus sells 300 a year. Beech sells 30.



Timex sells 20X as many watches as Rolex. Which would you rather wear. ;)

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 Post subject: Re: Why buy Bonanza instead of G1 Cirrus SR22
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 Post subject: Re: Why buy Bonanza instead of G1 Cirrus SR22
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Windshields, windows, interior plastics, hoses, grease seals, etc, all those old parts require replacement and add a lot to the cost of an annual on 30-40 year old planes. Don't forget corrosion control, repainting, etc. The Cirrus hasn't reached that age yet. So it's basically tires & brakes and very minor wear items that don't cost a lot or take much time to do.


You have that backwards. Every time someone comes here and starts talking about expenses for a year the Cirrus is always a lot more expensive. I'm seeing folks report $6-8K annuals on their SR. Insurance 2-3 times what I pay.


I maintain several dozen Cirrus, and previously ran a Cirrus service center. I've probably got better information on complete ownership costs than your average person. They are nowhere near as expensive to operate as you think. Owning one will cost more, because they are newer and therefore the hull values are higher than a Bonanza. Insurance on any $650k airplane will be more expensive than a $250K airplane. There aren't any 1978 Cirrus to compare apples to apples with a 1978 Bonanza.
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 Post subject: Re: Why buy Bonanza instead of G1 Cirrus SR22
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I maintain several dozen Cirrus, and previously ran a Cirrus service center. I've probably got better information on complete ownership costs than your average person. They are nowhere near as expensive to operate as you think. Owning one will cost more, because they are newer and therefore the hull values are higher than a Bonanza. Insurance on any $650k airplane will be more expensive than a $250K airplane. There aren't any 1978 Cirrus to compare apples to apples with a 1978 Bonanza.


Awesome... sounds like you're a good source to put these rumors to bed. How much would a typical G1 annual cost today?

I've "heard" but never seen an invoice that the typical G1 runs about 6-7k a year. Then a 20k every 10 years for a chute can add 2k in 'costs'. Interesting since that's way more than I pay for maint. on my 55 bonanza with it's old systems and attendant complex gear. Mine have ranged from 4000 - 7000, the last one being the most expensive due to tip tank repair and ADS-B transponder install.


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 Post subject: Re: Why buy Bonanza instead of G1 Cirrus SR22
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Ya. Hardly a comparison.

Cirrus sells 300 a year. Beech sells 30.



Timex sells 20X as many watches as Rolex. Which would you rather wear. ;)

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Whichever one has a chute.

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 Post subject: Re: Why buy Bonanza instead of G1 Cirrus SR22
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We have a G1 Cirrus SR20. Our parachute is coming due for replacement and we have the MOST expensive repack because we are a single alternator airplane (need a 2nd battery), the G1 requires composite work, AND we have to have the wiring updated to the new electronic rocket ignition. The price is right at $20k. In future years we'll only need the composite work and the rocket / parachute, but this initial upgrade to a fully electronic ignition does add to the cost. The parachute components are life limited to 10 years from date of manufacture - so really it's about every 9.75 years by the time stuff gets installed. The line cutters are $1600 and they take about 1 shop hour to install. No big deal.

Regarding annuals. We're really consistent in the $3k - $4k range excluding the one time we went to an official Cirrus Service Center which was very expensive. I can't see why an SR22 would be much different.

G1 doors - they work fine. They're traditional "aircraft doors". G2 - G5 used the "automotive sytle" doors that sometimes can need adjustment to close reliably.

One annoying G1 thing is that the connectors that Cirrus used early on didn't always work very well which can cause some errant engine monitor readings. There is an aftermarket update kit to upgrade connectors or your A&P can just solder the wires. Either way it's not a huge deal.

Realistically - there is nothing fancy or expensive about maintaining a Cirrus SR outside of the parachute that's much different than any other airplane. Some of the parts maybe higher than they should be, but that likely applies to all aircraft. Our shop that works on many different aircraft actually say they really like the Cirrus from a maintenance perspective because it's pretty easy to work on, parts aren't impossible to find, there aren't a million screws, and overall it's a straight forward design.

As to if you should get a Bo or a Cirrus? Really up to whatever you like better. There's a lot to like about both.


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