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Post subject: Re: Icon A5 Posted: 23 Jan 2023, 11:46 |
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Joined: 05/11/10 Posts: 12404 Post Likes: +11415 Location: Indiana
Aircraft: Cessna 185, RV-7
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Username Protected wrote: But, with that said, it's expensive and underpowered. If an engine-less shell over shows up, I would buy it and install a 915. Unless they’ve changed the purchase agreement a lot, that wouldn’t be possible. The current owner couldn’t sell it until you met Icon’s muster, and you’d have to sign another agreement with Icon. Before they had an airplane, they had had a big tent on Celebration Way at Oshkosh, full of beautiful young people, loud music, and cool video. They were more fun then, promising an airplane that I was tempted by at $150,000 or whatever it was.
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Post subject: Re: Icon A5 Posted: 23 Jan 2023, 17:01 |
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Joined: 12/10/07 Posts: 30761 Post Likes: +10757 Location: Minneapolis, MN (KFCM)
Aircraft: 1970 Baron B55
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Username Protected wrote: The Icon is cool, but not worth the $ IMO. What's a "RIB wing"?[/quote] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5N8kxIO2Dsw[/quote] Interesting. Sounds like he can fold up the wing, deflate the boat, and strap it to a mid sized sailboat.
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Post subject: Re: Icon A5 Posted: 24 Jan 2023, 11:59 |
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Joined: 03/28/17 Posts: 6694 Post Likes: +8036 Location: N. California
Aircraft: C-182
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Username Protected wrote: But, with that said, it's expensive and underpowered. If an engine-less shell over shows up, I would buy it and install a 915. Unless they’ve changed the purchase agreement a lot, that wouldn’t be possible. The current owner couldn’t sell it until you met Icon’s muster, and you’d have to sign another agreement with Icon. Before they had an airplane, they had had a big tent on Celebration Way at Oshkosh, full of beautiful young people, loud music, and cool video. They were more fun then, promising an airplane that I was tempted by at $150,000 or whatever it was.
They had some of the strangest purchasing terms I've seen for an aircraft.
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Post subject: Re: Icon A5 Posted: 24 Jan 2023, 23:37 |
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Joined: 12/01/12 Posts: 32 Post Likes: +25 Location: St Petersburg, FL
Aircraft: Phenom 300
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Username Protected wrote: The current owner couldn’t sell it until you met Icon’s muster, and you’d have to sign another agreement with Icon. Tarver's partner never signed an agreement with Icon - I know because I sold him my old plane. Icon never reached out to the buyer or me. I was ready for a fight, because I wanted to find out what the restitution would be. The agreement is stupid, but if you buy new you have no option but to sign it.
_________________ ATP | Phenom 300 N329MC, Icon A5 N1BA | Ex SR22G3 TN, G1, Eclipse 500, Carbon Cub, Phenom 100
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Post subject: Re: Icon A5 Posted: 05 Feb 2023, 12:43 |
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Joined: 03/29/13 Posts: 854 Post Likes: +690
Aircraft: PA18, C120/180/210
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Username Protected wrote: Icon is a toy. I really wish Seawind have survived and completed the certification (which was apparently very close). It was such a promising concept... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seawind_I ... al_SeawindNot sure I agree. It's the plane to add to your dock if you have a house on the water as is common in the northern tier of the country east of the Mississippi. Use it like you might a Stearman for example - nice day, let's go over to the strip (lake, river) and grab a bite or see a friend. It has no bad habits - you can even drag a wingtip in the water in a high speed turn with no issue (not recommend, but demonstrated). Doesn't really stall, just mushes. Handles 12" (what they recommend) up to 18" wave height. Can't imagine flying a ~1400# plane in much more than that. Assume on a 100 F day two-up its a bit slow off the water, so avoid confined areas. Negatives - at least in the one I was renting (believe it was one of the first 20 conforming versions they had on flight lines in CA and FL) it had fairly miserable ground handling on wheels. Flimsy sadder pedals/linkage. Had to have about 15 knots to taxi reasonably well. Their checkout suggests no flap landings. That was ignored after the first one and the IP had no issues. With flaps can be set down very smoothly and the nose wheel held off. No idea of the reason, had something to do with new pilots I guess. I have all of about 11 hours in an A5, so take my comments with a discount.
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Post subject: Re: Icon A5 Posted: 05 Feb 2023, 22:18 |
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Joined: 04/26/13 Posts: 19965 Post Likes: +19716 Location: Columbus , IN (KBAK)
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Username Protected wrote: Handles 12" (what they recommend) up to 18" wave height. Can't imagine flying a ~1400# plane in much more than that. I can make a bigger wake than that in a 21’ Wellcraft.
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Post subject: Re: Icon A5 Posted: 05 Feb 2023, 23:15 |
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Joined: 10/18/11 Posts: 1031 Post Likes: +587
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this is what someone should build. the trigull. http://www.seabee.info/trigull.htm the Seabee is one of the best handling aircraft on the water and can handle 3" waves but needs a full up grade to modern standards this is it. good load hauler , modern engine tricycle gear.
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Post subject: Re: Icon A5 Posted: 05 Feb 2023, 23:37 |
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Joined: 12/01/12 Posts: 32 Post Likes: +25 Location: St Petersburg, FL
Aircraft: Phenom 300
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Love my A5, it is my happy plane. Pretty impractical for travel but awesome for Sunday flying. IOPA.org just held its first members' meeting this weekend, first time I have been around other owners. Fun crowd. Attachment: IMG_1138.jpeg Attachment: F8F745F1-D47C-4DC3-9F8B-9BC7B8624D9D.jpeg Attachment: IMG_1075.jpeg
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Post subject: Re: Icon A5 Posted: 06 Feb 2023, 16:20 |
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Joined: 04/26/13 Posts: 19965 Post Likes: +19716 Location: Columbus , IN (KBAK)
Aircraft: 1968 Baron D55
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Username Protected wrote: Biggest issue with the A5 was the company from what Ive seen They are their own worst enemy.
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