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 Post subject: Re: Upgrade: Meridian or King Air C90
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I think the Eclipse would be the easiest transition to make from the Cirrus with 300 hours.

What's the current status on support? Getting one as opposed to a C501 seems really risky; at least there's a lot of support for the legacy Citations.

Quick survey of previous BT threads show it's basically a megabuck gamble, great if you can afford to walk away from a boat anchor, so it's a toy for the uber rich. Controller has a couple dozen for sale "call for price" but the few with opening bids of $1000K or so. Aerocor seems to have cornered the market to some extent, what's their story?

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 Post subject: Re: Upgrade: Meridian or King Air C90
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I was seriously considering a Eclipse. You can’t beat the efficiency.

But the support scared me and there are a lot of $25k gotchas. I don’t mind the occasional $5-10k gotcha but $25-40k gotchas are just too much.

I took my wife up in an eclipse with a friend and she thought the eclipse was way smaller than our Mirage. She loved the Mirage. Obviously the 421 impressed her the most.

Funny story. We had looked at a KA B100 and when I bought the 421 she thought we were getting the KA. When she got in it she though this seems a little smaller than she remembered. I said you have never been in a 421 and she said yes I had and referred to the KA we saw. When I told her that was a huge King Air and not what we got she said ok well this is still pretty big and way bigger than the Mirage. She is happy.

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 Post subject: Re: Upgrade: Meridian or King Air C90
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Eclipse is like buying an Avanti. You know support will be bad from the get-go and you will lose your shirt as soon as you close the deal. You don’t get uber rich pissing money into the wind either. KA, Meridian, JetProp and Mustang are all good choices for what the OP wants. It comes down to deciding what He likes. Getting mentoring would be high on my list whatever Patrick chooses.


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She is happy.



That says it all! :thumbup:

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 Post subject: Re: Upgrade: Meridian or King Air C90
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I would question anyone 6’2 or 6’3 that says they don’t fit in a P46. Something doesn't add up.



You want to see the crease in my knee?

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I would question anyone 6’2 or 6’3 that says they don’t fit in a P46. Something doesn't add up.



You want to see the crease in my knee?

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Larry. Maybe you are just larger in the butt area. Haha

In all seriousness my son is 6’5” 270lbs and has a way larger butt than I have and his knees touched the dash. He was so uncomfortable in the front seat of the Mirage. He hated it. My other son is the same height and 225 and fits ok but not as well as I do. I have no butt. LOL

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Larry. Maybe you are just larger in the butt area. Haha

In all seriousness my son is 6’5” 270lbs and has a way larger butt than I have and his knees touched the dash. He was so uncomfortable in the front seat of the Mirage. He hated it. My other son is the same height and 225 and fits ok but not as well as I do. I have no butt. LOL

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Well, I didn't like the Citation M2 crew seats either. They need to go back further.

I found the SF50 quite comfortable though.

Maybe the seats are all a lot more comfortable once the wallet is a couple of million dollars thinner.


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Larry. Maybe you are just larger in the butt area. Haha

In all seriousness my son is 6’5” 270lbs and has a way larger butt than I have and his knees touched the dash. He was so uncomfortable in the front seat of the Mirage. He hated it. My other son is the same height and 225 and fits ok but not as well as I do. I have no butt. LOL

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Well, I didn't like the Citation M2 crew seats either. They need to go back further.

I found the SF50 quite comfortable though.

Maybe the seats are all a lot more comfortable once the wallet is a couple of million dollars thinner.


I'm with Larry. I found the M2 seat on the left uncomfortable and the right is slightly worse. The PA46 was ok once you got in it. The first couple of times I sat in a TBM I thought it was pretty snug. But then I adjusted the pedals and flew it a lot. Now I think it's pretty comfortable. So perhaps it's just what we get used to.

Michael at least your son will sit up front with you! Mine prefer to sit in the back which I can't understand. They also like to sleep on long cross country flights which is also weird...

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 Post subject: Re: Upgrade: Meridian or King Air C90
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Agreed, the TBM seats can be moved as far back as you want.
The pilot door is easier to get in & out for us big guys.

Just flew 1200 nm direct from PBI Florida in 4.3 hrs, I just move my seat way back and stretch my legs.

Im 6'2" and I dont fit well in a Piper.




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TBM Thoughts: I love the TBM. Other than the wing spar in the middle of the Meridian to hop over, its essentially the exact same cabin.


Not in my experience. The TBM seats slide back on rails as far as you want to go, and there is much more headroom and it's easier to get into. The pilot door is a game changer too.

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The first couple of times I sat in a TBM I thought it was pretty snug. But then I adjusted the pedals and flew it a lot. Now I think it's pretty comfortable. So perhaps it's just what we get used to.


The adjustable pedals make a huge difference


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I think the Eclipse would be the easiest transition to make from the Cirrus with 300 hours.

What's the current status on support? Getting one as opposed to a C501 seems really risky; at least there's a lot of support for the legacy Citations.

Quick survey of previous BT threads show it's basically a megabuck gamble, great if you can afford to walk away from a boat anchor, so it's a toy for the uber rich. Controller has a couple dozen for sale "call for price" but the few with opening bids of $1000K or so. Aerocor seems to have cornered the market to some extent, what's their story?


Tom,
Support is improving. Currently all parts are available from One Aviation and another company Resurgent Aviation Solutions is introducing improvements and repairing parts so instead of a 20K replacement you can get a 7K repair.

I just bought from RAS an improved contractor and big battery so I only have to have the batteries checked yearly instead of every 6 months and I can start when it’s really cold without a power cart.

Because of the perceived risk prices are low and I think bargains are available.
It’s interesting to see folks moving up to bigger jets moving back to Eclipse’s because of what they offer

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I would question anyone 6’2 or 6’3 that says they don’t fit in a P46. Something doesn't add up.



You want to see the crease in my knee?

Why would I lie?


Same, I really wanted to love it but... I've flown in a 2008 and sat in an M600. My head is right up against the ceiling while inside the cutout and legs against the metal sharp angle of the bottom panel. I think I'd be severely injured in turbulence and impossible to stretch my legs at all. I'm really curious how anyone taller than 6'2" makes it work.
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There are definite advantages to being 5'8' in this context - I fit in basically everything, even carrying a few extra pounds of "not-so-useful load"... *laughing* I do know pilots over 6' who fly the Pipers and seem fine but it boils down to how each plane fits you individually...


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