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 Post subject: Re: Rumor That All Mooney Employees Furloughed For A Week
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I really enjoy my Farmall A with a belly mower. And it still works as well as it ever has.
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 Post subject: Re: Rumor That All Mooney Employees Furloughed For A Week
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Saw on FB that the Kerrville newspaper published the furlough story today, but the article is behind a paywall. All employees affected.


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 Post subject: Re: Rumor That All Mooney Employees Furloughed For A Week
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Saw on FB that the Kerrville newspaper published the furlough story today, but the article is behind a paywall. All employees affected.

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 Post subject: Re: Rumor That All Mooney Employees Furloughed For A Week
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...not just shuttered and furloughed for a week but Happy Thanksgiving folks - you're laid off! No WARN notification, no heads up except maybe for the overseas investors. ...nothin'!


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 Post subject: Re: Rumor That All Mooney Employees Furloughed For A Week
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They made some good improvements with the ultra, but the payload with either air con or TKS and full fuel makes it basically a one person airplane. I visited their booth at Oshkosh and there never seemed to be more than a couple people milling around and none seemed too excited at the plane. Walking over to Cirrus was a different planet.

I don't know how someone can look at the Ultra and the SR22 and then buy the Ultra. If you really only fly with yourself and one other person, the SR22 is still more comfortable. If you fly by yourself, maybe. But then when you go to sell it you're selling to a tiny market. I don't think the Ultras are going to sell for anything close to a similarly aged SR22.

I think it is more fun to fly and it is faster than an SR22, so it's too bad. If they could figure out a way to eek a little more elbow room, more payload, and a chute for the spouses I think it would have been a viable contender. I'd say the same thing about the TTx, with a chute and 3 more inches of length I think they'd have sold. Maybe not possible to do without extensive recertification in either case.

I still don't understand why Mooney and Cessna (or Cirrus) didn't add the iE2 as part of their overhauls when they made the Ultra/TTx/G6 changes.


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A Mooney is a pilots airplane. Cirrus has almost everything going for it as a single piston but fun to hand fly it is not. Full fuel in a Mooney long body is bladder and person busting. Most will never need more than 64 gallons on board for 3 hours flying and 1 in reserve. Creates another 240lbs useful or so.

I flew 950nm and burned 62 gallons at 170’ once in 5.5 hours.

It’s all according to your desire, ability, needs and mission. Seat and leg room in cruise for this 6’2” pilot was better than the TBM, and it is excellent.

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Saw on FB that the Kerrville newspaper published the furlough story today, but the article is behind a paywall. All employees affected.

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11 owners, and 3 bankruptcies

I wonder if that is a record?
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My wife's boss bought a new Acclaim Ultra a few years ago. He flies it by himself on o2 at 18-20k+ feet. He has a/c and no tks. His full fuel useful load is like 270lbs. He loves it and flies it a pretty good bit on long haul xc trips like Az-Ga, but his wife also generally wont fly with him and they are empty nesters.

It's a beautiful machine but it won't work for me.


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I'd say the same thing about the TTx, with a chute and 3 more inches of length I think they'd have sold.

No product improvement would've saved TTx. Cessna was a company that had trouble selling expensive jets. TTx had no chance in their organization: the margin was too small. I didn't have personal exposure to Cessna specifically, but whenever this happened in other companies, the sales force would basically sabotage low-margin, low-incentive products. And, the deadweight employees would get assigned to it. Once Jack left, it was the end for all of their little prop planes.


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Wow, 319 employees producing 7 planes a year...


This is the problem. That means each plane has to carry 40+ salaries. A jet couldn’t do that. How many people would it take to produce 7 RVs a year if it was their full time job? Maybe 10. That’s really poor management there.

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