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Post subject: Re: New Piper M600 SLS with autoland announced  Posted: 31 Oct 2019, 11:51 |
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Username Protected wrote: Other than the brake pump, it's all just software. Gear and flap switches have already been controlled by Garmin for a long time. Auto throttle is really just another $1000 servo. I'm further behind than I realized. I had no idea Garmin already controlled gear and flaps.
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Post subject: Re: New Piper M600 SLS with autoland announced Posted: 31 Oct 2019, 11:58 |
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Username Protected wrote: Other than the brake pump, it's all just software. Gear and flap switches have already been controlled by Garmin for a long time. Auto throttle is really just another $1000 servo. I'm further behind than I realized. I had no idea Garmin already controlled gear and flaps.
The switches are just position controls for G3000 with the G3000 driving the relays for both gear and flaps. Been like that since the first release. There is no direct connection between the switch and the relays in the G3000 install and I'm sure in many G1000 installs on the light jets.
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Post subject: Re: New Piper M600 SLS with autoland announced Posted: 31 Oct 2019, 12:00 |
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Username Protected wrote: Other than the brake pump, it's all just software. Gear and flap switches have already been controlled by Garmin for a long time. Auto throttle is really just another $1000 servo. I'm further behind than I realized. I had no idea Garmin already controlled gear and flaps.
Ashley,
Not that I know of in a Mooney, TBM or Diamond.
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Post subject: Re: New Piper M600 SLS with autoland announced Posted: 31 Oct 2019, 12:25 |
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Username Protected wrote: Ashley,
Not that I know of in a Mooney, TBM or Diamond. Depends which Mooney. The Ultra models do not have direct connection of gear and flap switches. It all runs via a Garmin box for control and CAS. You are correct about the older G1000 implementations. Don't know anything about Diamond and TBM systems.
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Post subject: Re: New Piper M600 SLS with autoland announced Posted: 31 Oct 2019, 12:35 |
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Username Protected wrote: Reassuring, but less significant than the blue button or hypoxia protection. This is better than previous hypoxia protection schemes. Descending to 15,000, making a right turn and flying until pilot wakes up. The pilot might wake up way out in the Atlantic or Pacific Ocean. Without enough fuel to return. Really nice having it land at an airport.
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Post subject: Re: New Piper M600 SLS with autoland announced Posted: 31 Oct 2019, 14:44 |
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not in the TBM, gear & flaps are a separate systems. I would be concern that it wont work when you need it, servos would need to be exercised once in a while. We need a way to test it without sending 7700 squack code all over. Username Protected wrote: Other than the brake pump, it's all just software. Gear and flap switches have already been controlled by Garmin for a long time. Auto throttle is really just another $1000 servo. I'm further behind than I realized. I had no idea Garmin already controlled gear and flaps.
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Post subject: Re: New Piper M600 SLS with autoland announced Posted: 31 Oct 2019, 15:28 |
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[quote="Marc Bourdon"]not in the TBM, gear & flaps are a separate systems.
I would be concern that it wont work when you need it, servos would need to be exercised once in a while. We need a way to test it without sending 7700 squack code all over.
It’s using the autopilot servos for everything important. Only things it may not be using normally are gear and flaps and I’d guess this won’t show up on any plane where those systems don’t run through the Garmin gear in some way.
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Post subject: Re: New Piper M600 SLS with autoland announced Posted: 31 Oct 2019, 17:22 |
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Username Protected wrote: It’s using the autopilot servos for everything important. Only things it may not be using normally are gear and flaps and I’d guess this won’t show up on any plane where those systems don’t run through the Garmin gear in some way. This may not matter if Garmin is already handling the gear and flap relays. Software could say "I don't care what the physical switch says, put the gear down"
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Post subject: Re: New Piper M600 SLS with autoland announced Posted: 31 Oct 2019, 19:02 |
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Username Protected wrote: Perhaps Payne Stewart would still be with us.... Certainly a possibility. If the Feds could activate it from the ground during a pilot incapacitation incident it would be a certainty. That’s probably the final evolution (assuming it works as advertised).
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Post subject: Re: New Piper M600 SLS with autoland announced Posted: 31 Oct 2019, 20:28 |
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Username Protected wrote: Garmin just gut punched any non garmin single pilot planes (cough, Pilatus, cough).
Cool tech and implementation. Video is awesome. I never wanted a chute. I want this. Talked to a Pilatus salesman today, he said he already has customers asking about Autoland in the Pilatus. Wonder if we will see this in the PC12. Piper has been working on this for many years. Wonder if Honeywell has been working on it?
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Post subject: Re: New Piper M600 SLS with autoland announced Posted: 01 Nov 2019, 13:39 |
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Username Protected wrote: Garmin just gut punched any non garmin single pilot planes (cough, Pilatus, cough).
Cool tech and implementation. Video is awesome. I never wanted a chute. I want this. Talked to a Pilatus salesman today, he said he already has customers asking about Autoland in the Pilatus. Wonder if we will see this in the PC12. Piper has been working on this for many years. Wonder if Honeywell has been working on it?
Engine control should be simple with FADEC. Just need something to command flaps and gear, no?
..and all the programming that goes into it
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Post subject: Re: New Piper M600 SLS with autoland announced Posted: 01 Nov 2019, 18:34 |
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Username Protected wrote: Perhaps Payne Stewart would still be with us.... Pressurization failure. Got crew and pax. I was discussing this re the TBM. There has never been a pilot incapacitation in a TBM that didn’t also affect the pax.
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Post subject: Re: New Piper M600 SLS with autoland announced Posted: 01 Nov 2019, 20:32 |
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Username Protected wrote: Perhaps Payne Stewart would still be with us.... Pressurization failure. Got crew and pax. I was discussing this re the TBM. There has never been a pilot incapacitation in a TBM that didn’t also affect the pax.
This would work in that instance. Same hypoxia recognition system that has been available in some Garmin products. Now paired with autothrottle, my understanding is that it can actually descend at a decent vertical speed and if pilot still doesn’t wake up it goes on to land at nearest suitable airport. It takes into account weather enroute and at destination airport (including forecasting storm position), as well as terrain. So even if everyone is passed out they’ll end up at an airport stopped on the runway with engine cut off. Pretty damn cool.
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Post subject: Re: New Piper M600 SLS with autoland announced Posted: 01 Nov 2019, 22:00 |
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Username Protected wrote: Perhaps Payne Stewart would still be with us.... As would n900kn, that tbm that took off from ny and flamed out near jamaica
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