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Yah, thanks, I guess I remembered wrong.


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Amazing how a company could literally have people throwing money at them and they refuse. Now they got neither 402 sales nor Caravan sales (probably could have sold a few dozen others) and have provided a foothold for a new competitor. Plus I’m sure Continental was like “Doood! We could have made some bank on 100 engines and spares!!”

Makes me wonder if someone went to B/C/P and offered to buy the defunct part of the piston IP if they’d even sell.

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Do you really think an airplane company can survive on 50 sales?
Thats all Tecnam will sell. Nobody besides Cape Air wants an avgas piston twin.
Cessna or Piper are not that stupid.




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Amazing how a company could literally have people throwing money at them and they refuse. Now they got neither 402 sales nor Caravan sales (probably could have sold a few dozen others) and have provided a foothold for a new competitor. Plus I’m sure Continental was like “Doood! We could have made some bank on 100 engines and spares!!”

Makes me wonder if someone went to B/C/P and offered to buy the defunct part of the piston IP if they’d even sell.

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Cape ordered 100 of them, that’s 250m in revenue. Probably not compelling for Textron but probably a nice boost for Tecnam.

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They have 25 others sold to operators other than Cape Air. There are also a lot of Islanders in the world that are going to need replacing soon that the P2012 will be perfect for.

Turbines are good, but there are some missions that they just aren't suited for.


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They have 25 others sold to operators other than Cape Air. There are also a lot of Islanders in the world that are going to need replacing soon that the P2012 will be perfect for.

Turbines are good, but there are some missions that they just aren't suited for.



Think there's a market. And the involved companies sure do as well.


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I bet we will see some of these in the tour biz in AZ for Grand Canyon tours. Lots of old 206 and 208's running around that need to be replaced.

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I doesn't make sense to me either without knowing why B/C/P chose not to continue or upgrade but I can see these aircraft being used in growing or replacing markets such as Africa, Australia and Canada.


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I bet we will see some of these in the tour biz in AZ for Grand Canyon tours. Lots of old 206 and 208's running around that need to be replaced.

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Agree. Scenic tours prefer high wing. 1-2 hour flights, low & slow.

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Amazing how a company could literally have people throwing money at them and they refuse. Now they got neither 402 sales nor Caravan sales (probably could have sold a few dozen others) and have provided a foothold for a new competitor. Plus I’m sure Continental was like “Doood! We could have made some bank on 100 engines and spares!!”

Makes me wonder if someone went to B/C/P and offered to buy the defunct part of the piston IP if they’d even sell.

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Rich


I'd be willing to bet Textron, that owns Cessna and Lycoming made a bigger profit just selling Tecnam the engines than reproducing 402C's and converting them to a Lycoming... All with very little added liability, financial risk, work, or headaches.


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Do you really think an airplane company can survive on 50 sales?
Thats all Tecnam will sell. Nobody besides Cape Air wants an avgas piston twin.
Cessna or Piper are not that stupid.


I'm curious how the economics of the Tecnam will compare to the economics of operating a Caravan. Because there are four million caravans to replace.


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