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 Post subject: Re: CRJ vs. ERJ
PostPosted: 10 Sep 2019, 11:38 
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Sitting around today on hot reserve waiting for (hoping for) a trip in my usual spot; this is a badass view and might be the best office I’ve had yet, but I digress...

Look at these two birds. Why is everyone so in love with the ERJ? The performance is about identical to the CRJ, and I can’t see the point in the ERJ having the motors in the FOD suck position. Comparison is CRJ900 to ERJ175.

I don’t get it...what am I missing? Yeah, I know, the ERJ has autothrottles, but still; is there some advantage to under wing engine mounts that I’m not aware of?


I see you work for the same airline I do. Welcome aboard.

I think the 170/175/190 is simply a newer design, whereas the CRJ2/7/9 are evolutions of the original Challenger in many respects. The passenger cabin is much nicer on the 170/190 series than the CRJ.


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 Post subject: Re: CRJ vs. ERJ
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Thanks man! I’m pretty happy here, I like it a lot! Reserve isn’t my favorite because I’m not flying enough, but that’s the way it goes anywhere I suppose.

I wouldn’t of thought it’d be easy to get FOD all the way up there, but I suppose there’s a reason we’re not allowed to use max reverse below 90kts or any TR at all below 60kts.


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 Post subject: Re: CRJ vs. ERJ
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Two pages and still nobody has mentioned it.

The ERJ 170/175 has hubcaps.


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 Post subject: Re: CRJ vs. ERJ
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I flew both the CRJ-200 and EMB-175/190.

Other than the performance that is lacking in the CRJ-200, the biggest difference was in the Avionics.
The Honeywell Primus (Epic) suite in the E-Jet was very well thought out and clearly designed by a pilot. In comparison, the Collins ProLine in the CRJ was dated.
The E-Jet VNAV works much better than the 737.

Does the CRJ-900 have VNAV?


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 Post subject: Re: CRJ vs. ERJ
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The NextGen 900's do, as do the later 700's. Works fine.

I have over 6,000 hours in CRJ200's. It was a game-changer when it showed up in the 1990's, and for that I'll forgive some of its shortcomings. The 700's and 900's are far better performers, but they came along about a decade later.


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 Post subject: Re: CRJ vs. ERJ
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The NextGen 900's do, as do the later 700's. Works fine.

I have over 6,000 hours in CRJ200's. It was a game-changer when it showed up in the 1990's, and for that I'll forgive some of its shortcomings. The 700's and 900's are far better performers, but they came along about a decade later.

Even with its shortcomings, the 200 is still a moneymaker on a lot of routes. The fuel per passenger mile is more expensive than any modern narrow body airliner but that is balanced out by a couple of things- the airplanes are paid off long ago and the maintenance well understood and predictable. Fuel cost always matters but so do predictability and not having a car payment every month.


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 Post subject: Re: CRJ vs. ERJ
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I’m going to go looking for hubcaps tomorrow, I never noticed!

I’m a manual “heading, freqs, and needles” guy but I’ll use the VNAV. I haven’t got every nuance figured out with the avionics suite yet and until I do I don’t trust the thing to go to green needles for me when appropriate. The VNAV has been predictable thus far, but the other I’ve had a bit of trouble with.

I had an interesting thing happen the other day- I was on the visual at DAY (24R) in a 200 just NE of UYOGO at 2600’, cleared for the approach, approach armed, green needles, loc captured, GS alive, autopilot coupled, flaps 20, fat dumb and happy. I was going to kick the autopilot at the faf, configure, and land, no big deal. When the diamond was about a dot above, the GS jumped the fence and the ship started climbing for it. I kicked off the AP and landed with no drama, but both the CA and I agree that isn’t supposed to happen and neither he nor I knew wtf it did that for.

Any ideas?

Also, I much prefer the 200 to the others. Handles like an Aerostar and more switches, buttons, and knobs to fiddle with.

FWIW...I’ve been seriously thinking about another Aerostar lately, just a NA one. You’re always positive space in your own bird, and even after I sold my 700 I never stopped wanting to fly it...


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 Post subject: Re: CRJ vs. ERJ
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Craig, Chasing the GS is usually more about the signal quality from the ground and not the airplane. Yeah, I miss the Aerostar too. Wish I had bought yours.


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I wouldn’t of thought it’d be easy to get FOD all the way up there, but I suppose there’s a reason we’re not allowed to use max reverse below 90kts or any TR at all below 60kts.


Years ago, the Fleet Manager at the regional I worked for was a very smart gentleman, with an engineer type mind. He said a very cheap and simple deflector could be added on the bottom of the nacelle and it would prevent almost all of the FOD events. I don't remember the details, but GE/Bombardier didn't want to make the simple change.

Fortunately, the CF-34 is almost a bullet proof engine.


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 Post subject: Re: CRJ vs. ERJ
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I’m going to go looking for hubcaps tomorrow, I never noticed!

I’m a manual “heading, freqs, and needles” guy but I’ll use the VNAV. I haven’t got every nuance figured out with the avionics suite yet and until I do I don’t trust the thing to go to green needles for me when appropriate. The VNAV has been predictable thus far, but the other I’ve had a bit of trouble with.

I had an interesting thing happen the other day- I was on the visual at DAY (24R) in a 200 just NE of UYOGO at 2600’, cleared for the approach, approach armed, green needles, loc captured, GS alive, autopilot coupled, flaps 20, fat dumb and happy. I was going to kick the autopilot at the faf, configure, and land, no big deal. When the diamond was about a dot above, the GS jumped the fence and the ship started climbing for it. I kicked off the AP and landed with no drama, but both the CA and I agree that isn’t supposed to happen and neither he nor I knew wtf it did that for.

Any ideas?

Also, I much prefer the 200 to the others. Handles like an Aerostar and more switches, buttons, and knobs to fiddle with.

FWIW...I’ve been seriously thinking about another Aerostar lately, just a NA one. You’re always positive space in your own bird, and even after I sold my 700 I never stopped wanting to fly it...


Like Stewart said, its more of a ground component issue. TEB ILS 19 is legendary for this. You're cruising in, APPR armed, green needles on the LOC, waiting for the GS intercept, and suddenly it captures GS, and starts pitching up...

Same deal, punch off AP, and fly it...

I understand it to be a GS issue caused by taxiing aircraft.


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 Post subject: Re: CRJ vs. ERJ
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From a passenger perspective, the cabin windows on the Ejets are larger and higher than those on any CRJ, which makes them far superior.

View from an E175:

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I don’t get it...what am I missing? Yeah, I know, the ERJ has autothrottles, but still; is there some advantage to under wing engine mounts that I’m not aware of?


As a 6'3" pax ? ERJ all the way. One is a plane, the other a torture device.


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Passenger experience factors heavily into this. The actual ERJ, the -135/140/145, has a much more comfortable cabin than the CRJ200 it directly competes against, and the EJet - 170/175/190/195 - blows the CR7/9/10 competition out of the water. The real overhead bins also save on turn times and boarding times, because gate checking is minimal.

The CRJ also lacks autothrottles, from a pilot perspective.


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The CRJ also lacks autothrottles, from a pilot perspective.


It was an option. I saw a Saudia Arabian CRJ-200 at the Bombardier repair center in Clarksburg, WV that had it. The button goes in the spot on the model control panel that's usually blank.


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Auothrottles are just one more device to disengage the children of the magenta from aviating. I’ve never missed them.


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