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Haha, Starts out talking about turbine sales and evolves to behavior changes while staying in off grid hotels. I love it too.

Looking forward to seeing Jason in a jet soon?


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I own an off grid hotel in the SW Texas desert near Big Bend National Park.

Zero utilities, small hospital (80) miles away, sheriff may or may not come depending on how busy they are. About as free and wild as things get in West Texas.

It is really interesting to see the behaviors when people stay a few days, especially if they hike the property or park and find some wildlife or encounter difficulty.

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Keith, where is it?

I keep saying I’m going to roadtrip the wife and kids out to Big Bend. (I grew up in Midland so we visited frequently when I was a kid) I’ll never forget seeing the box city at Boquillas or buying quartz from a kid about my age that was half starved. Makes one very thankful.

About 35 years ago my brother and I spent a week hiking and camping south of Sierra Blanca on a friend’s ranch. It was remote. Dark at night. So quiet at times that it was unsettling. That was a different time, the only other people were workers making the trek. No cartels, no mules. Different time.

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I own an off grid hotel in the SW Texas desert near Big Bend National Park.

Zero utilities, small hospital (80) miles away, sheriff may or may not come depending on how busy they are. About as free and wild as things get in West Texas.

It is really interesting to see the behaviors when people stay a few days, especially if they hike the property or park and find some wildlife or encounter difficulty.

KJ


Keith, where is it?

I keep saying I’m going to roadtrip the wife and kids out to Big Bend. (I grew up in Midland so we visited frequently when I was a kid) I’ll never forget seeing the box city at Boquillas or buying quartz from a kid about my age that was half starved. Makes one very thankful.

About 35 years ago my brother and I spent a week hiking and camping south of Sierra Blanca on a friend’s ranch. It was remote. Dark at night. So quiet at times that it was unsettling. That was a different time, the only other people were workers making the trek. No cartels, no mules. Different time.


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You are welcome anytime.

Not that much has changed. Boquillas is still the best little border crossing. Still silent all day and completely dark at night.

We are (20) minutes from the entrance to the National Park. Website has all the details. www.TenBitsRanch.com Please be sure to mention Beechtalk and your name if you call.

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Keith, Is the Lajitas airport available to people not staying at the resort? I’d like to fly in for a quick trip and eat at the Starlight, maybe a night in Chisos Mountain lodges. Big Bend region is one of the the most visually stunning places in the world. A raft trip down Boquillas canyon is magical.


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Fundamental problem with the modern, socialist democracy is that we have divorced effort from sustenance. You can get housed & fed without having to work.

Turn off the electricity and traditional gender roles will return in 3 days. :D


I own an off grid hotel in the SW Texas desert near Big Bend National Park.

Zero utilities, small hospital (80) miles away, sheriff may or may not come depending on how busy they are. About as free and wild as things get in West Texas.

It is really interesting to see the behaviors when people stay a few days, especially if they hike the property or park and find some wildlife or encounter difficulty.

KJ[/quote]

Please elaborate? Meaning they would starve to death if they had to slaughter their own food or the get tougher in those conditions?

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Please elaborate? Meaning they would starve to death if they had to slaughter their own food or the get tougher in those conditions?[/quote]

Let’s just say it takes common sense to survive in a desert, especially if hiking, off roading or biking long distances. Add in no cell coverage, no utility service, some wild animals and very limited emergency services, closest hospital 80 miles away and some people really struggle.

A simple flat tire can leave you walking 40 miles or spending a night in the desert.

Some people figure it out, others literally melt down in front of your eyes. I have watched grown men who look like they spend 7 days a week in a gym cry over a rain storm and I have watched 90lb women pull out a poncho and a tow chain and handle it better then me.

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How does a guy from Canton end up in the boondocks in south Texas. I see your F90 there in Akron every now and then. Beautiful plane.

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How does a guy from Canton end up in the boondocks in south Texas. I see your F90 there in Akron every now and then. Beautiful plane.

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Thanks Gary.

I started working with business partners in Texas in 2006. So I had been traveling there for years and planned to move there at some point.

Long story short, a drunk friend at a business party in Virginia described a crazy place that he found on a recent trip. A year or so later, my business partners sold my business and I found myself with a non compete and no job. So I took a motorcycle ride across Texas and found this place for sale.

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Terlinqua wouldn’t be considered South Texas. The Big Bend is a vast region with its own unique sub subculture of people from all corners drawn to its vast beauty and solitude. Its definitely the most physically challenging region in the state to live and only for the self reliant. Back in the day there was a beer drinking goat named John Henry in Terlinqua, cans only. He would wrap his goat lips around the top of the can, lift his head and drain it. The goat alone made the 12 hour drive worth it. Lots of colorful characters from then till now. Terlinqua fly-In?


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Terlingua fly in would be great.

Airport options...

4TE4
3TE8
1E2

If you want to keep on pavement...and drive right by the beer drinking goat

89TE

or an hour fifteen drive north, but public with full service

E38

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Keith, Is the Lajitas airport available to people not staying at the resort? I’d like to fly in for a quick trip and eat at the Starlight, maybe a night in Chisos Mountain lodges. Big Bend region is one of the the most visually stunning places in the world. A raft trip down Boquillas canyon is magical.


Yes, let them know you plan to stop at the resort bar (Thirsty Goat) or resort Restaurant (Candela) and they may charge a fee, but will not turn you away.

They of course prefer you to stay at their resort.

Airport ID is 89TE. They are building a really nice new runway.

If you want to stay at our place, you can use our airport car. I move it around between the local airports for guests.

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Back to topic.

Talked to owner of a citation sii last week. Book numbers are crazy. When you start doing real world loading math, it isn’t very good. Essentially you can go far or carry a lot. Pick one. They just got a cj4. Comment was it’s book range really depends on direct climbs and that it still suffers a bit from the carry a lot vs go far equation.

I have been running Foreflight profiles for all kinds of jets recently. It’s amazing how slow the single pilot ones are when you want to go far ex cj3,4,p300. Cj2 doing 380kts is just not that much faster on a long trip than a 300 mile turboprop and with the jet range being so dependent on flying high, as soon as the wind picks up you are stopping in one direction.

Running a premier flat out all the time and stopping for gas more often appears to yield the best door to door times vs capex.


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Take a look at the older Citations with the Williams engine upgrade.

Good range, good speed with a lower up front cost then anything else comparable.

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You want a V. Prices are low and they go 1700 miles at 415kts. Sii goes 1800nm at a realistic 385kts. Call me for my thoughts on loading.

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