BeechTalk - BT

Username Protected · **Posted:** 06 Aug 2019, 20:18

Username Protected wrote:

Nice to just give someone the keys after flights and tell em what needs to be fixed :-)

Not so nice when they say the plane isn't available for your flight.

Mike C.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 08 Aug 2019, 08:14

Username Protected wrote:

The takeaway for me was the difference in fuel C510 v C550. Wow!

2000s little engine producing 1460 lbf (PW615F)

Versus

1960s bigger engine producing 2500 lbf (JT15D-4)

The JT15D is just not an efficient engine by modern standards.

The FJ44 would compare far more favorably. I bet an M2 is not far off from Mustang due to significantly better speed.

Fuel is not the main cost in turbine flying despite the amount you use. You get it cheap, and then you go fast while using it.

Factor in winds, and the 310 can get FAR worse some days.

Assuming no wind, MU-2M with -10 engines is $0.99/nm, 180 gallons.

Mike C.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 08 Aug 2019, 15:05

From us folks slumming in old Cessna singles the P210 comes in at $0.59/nm:

3.95 flight time (170kts block)
79 gallons (ROP)
$5/gal - that's MY typical fuel cost currently
$395 total fuel
672nm
$0.59/nm

Not as spiffy or expensive as a jet I realize but FWIW.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 08 Aug 2019, 16:08

Username Protected wrote:

That’s why I have 7 leases

Only 7

Username Protected · **Posted:** 08 Aug 2019, 20:10

Ran the numbers for a trip in my short-body -10 MU-2...I can't reproduce the same winds and temps as in the OP data; so that probably changes things somewhat. It's not as efficient as the TBM's numbers posted earlier, but pretty good for a twin (IMO). Just demonstrates that a twin turbine can still be pretty efficient. I have found that point to point, the DOC for my turbine is less than my prior twin piston (Aerostar).
MU-2 (KSAW>KHPN) 2:02, 307kts TAS, 162.1g @$3.68/g(CAA) yields a total fuel cost of $596 and $0.88/nm

Username Protected · **Posted:** 08 Aug 2019, 20:37

which was most fun?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 08 Aug 2019, 23:26

Username Protected wrote:

From us folks slumming in old Cessna singles the P210 comes in at $0.59/nm:

3.95 flight time (170kts block)
79 gallons (ROP)
$5/gal - that's MY typical fuel cost currently
$395 total fuel
672nm
$0.59/nm

Not as spiffy or expensive as a jet I realize but FWIW.

No winds in my Meridian yields:

2:55 flight time
111 gallons
$0.61/nm

Username Protected · **Posted:** 08 Aug 2019, 23:29

Mark,

Can you please explain the reasons and benefit and HOW you lease 7 different airplanes. Sounds amazing but why?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 09 Aug 2019, 00:18

Username Protected wrote:

Mark,

Can you please explain the reasons and benefit and HOW you lease 7 different airplanes. Sounds amazing but why?

Open door, insert money. Easy.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 09 Aug 2019, 00:47

Username Protected wrote:

Mark,

Can you please explain the reasons and benefit and HOW you lease 7 different airplanes. Sounds amazing but why?

7 planes three type rating. All single pilot. Max flexibility. I rent 2 cj2., two 550, 560. 560u C510. Different parts of the country different missions. Pay by the flight hour.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 09 Aug 2019, 01:02

Username Protected wrote:

Not so nice when they say the plane isn't available for your flight.

Mike C.

That’s why I have 7 leases

Username Protected · **Posted:** 09 Aug 2019, 08:53

Username Protected wrote:

From us folks slumming in old Cessna singles the P210 comes in at $0.59/nm:

3.95 flight time (170kts block)
79 gallons (ROP)
$5/gal - that's MY typical fuel cost currently
$395 total fuel
672nm
$0.59/nm

Not as spiffy or expensive as a jet I realize but FWIW.

Slumming it in my Turbonormalized Cardinal if I flew the route today (30 knot tailwinds) I get $0.23/nm:
3.54 flight time (190 block)
31 gallons (LOP)
$5/gal
$155 total fuel
672nm
$0.23/nm

No wind block speed would be 165 knots.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 09 Aug 2019, 09:13

Turbo cardinal burns 9 gph truing 165? That seems ?? Too efficient. But wow.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 09 Aug 2019, 09:17

Username Protected wrote:

Mark,

Can you please explain the reasons and benefit and HOW you lease 7 different airplanes. Sounds amazing but why?

7 planes three type rating. All single pilot. Max flexibility. I rent 2 cj2., two 550, 560. 560u C510. Different parts of the country different missions. Pay by the flight hour.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 09 Aug 2019, 09:18

FWIW. The M600 today 2:22 flight time, $395 jet A. A little push at FL270 and assumes perfect routing and altitude. Which doesn't usually happen

C550 vs C510 vs C310 Trip Comparison