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 Post subject: Re: Longest Personal Direct Flight - KAPA - KTOL 970nm
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I still have yet to break 6 hours in my Mooney. To date my longest flight was KHYI (San Marcos, TX) to KTDF (Person Co, NC) 1024 nautical miles, 5 hours 10 min, 52 gal used.

My longest time aloft was 6 hours and 20 minutes in my hang glider. 145 miles, 0 gallons used (unless you count all the gas the truck used to find me and take me back).

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 Post subject: Re: Longest Personal Direct Flight - KAPA - KTOL 970nm
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What kind of Plane Gary? :pilot:

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 Post subject: Re: Longest Personal Direct Flight - KAPA - KTOL 970nm
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W78 to KDTO (South Boston, VA to Denton, TX) 925nm

KDTO to KVDF (Denton, TX to Tampa, FL) 827nm

And my routine non-stop:

KDTO to KATW (Denton, TX to Appleton, WI) 777nm

Always at or above 10,000', LOP and mindful of the relationship between parasitic airframe drag and airspeed (drag squares as airspeed doubles).

Reducing power and FF I can watch the JPI NM/Gal and fuel remaining at destination increase.

If one ever believes their fuel planning situation to be in jeopardy, I suggest slowing down!

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Reducing power and FF I can watch the JPI NM/Gal and fuel remaining at destination increase.

If one ever believes their fuel planning situation to be in jeopardy, I suggest slowing down!

Mike


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Reducing power and FF I can watch the JPI NM/Gal and fuel remaining at destination increase.

If one ever believes their fuel planning situation to be in jeopardy, I suggest slowing down!

Mike


The Carson Speed!


Actually best glide is best. So if you want to go far at a still somewhat reasonable pace climb.

Go far mode for me is FL180/190 at 120KIAS and 19gph total. You’ll be humming along doing 170 KTAS. You can stay up there for about 6.5 hours on a full fuel load and the range of the airplane is about 1200nm with decent reserves that way.

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 Post subject: Re: Longest Personal Direct Flight - KAPA - KTOL 970nm
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My target best range speed is Best L/D x ~1.1 or about 132KIAS.

My guide for speed/range trade offs is the fuel remaining at destination (FRAD). Once I get a "happy" FRAD, I'm good with that speed/power setting.

I've never taken the time nor do I have the inclination to dive into the "Carson" speed metrics. Others may choose to operate on that principle and that's cool, but for me it's all about a comfortable FRAD given the expected conditions at destination.

Which brings to mind why I prefer XM WX in the cockpit for my long range flights because I can receive WX from the first NM to the last NM at any point in the flight (and make speed/fuel adjustments accordingly as soon as conditions dictate). ADS-B WX has a range limitation (presumedly bandwidth limits the FAA has imposed on their system????).

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 Post subject: Re: Longest Personal Direct Flight - KAPA - KTOL 970nm
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Mike-

I do the exact same thing with FRAD.
Carson speed is simple: 1.3 x best glide.

For me, at cruise, that’s only about 20kts below my IAS in cruise.
I wonder if the Carson speed applies to turbines in the same way it applies to pistons.
Any engineers know?

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Mike-

I do the exact same thing with FRAD.
Carson speed is simple: 1.3 x best glide.

For me, at cruise, that’s only about 20kts below my IAS in cruise.
I wonder if the Carson speed applies to turbines in the same way it applies to pistons.
Any engineers know?


Yes it does.

Carson speed is simply an application of a bit of calculus to the aerodynamic laws that govern our airplane.

It is a minimization function of power/speed in other words the most knots per gallon.

If you want most miles per gallon then best glide is your speed.

Anything between the two is acceptable.

Faster than Carson you’re going too fast and wasting fuel you should go higher instead. Anything slower than best glide and your carrying too much drag and you should go faster (even if you have to descend to do so).

For any airplane Carson speed is 1.32 times best glide and is an indicated airspeed.


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