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Does this make any sense?

"Honda Aircraft has delivered its first HondaJet Elites to a customer in Hawaii"

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news ... n-delivery

The longest possible flight inside Hawaii is 300 nm, an unlikely route from PHBK to PHTO. Starting at Honolulu, the furthest you can go is 188 nm to PHTO. After that, then the only civilian airport in range is Christmas Island.

So the HA-420 can do 422 knots, and a ceiling of Fl430, but it will never see those numbers, ever, in service in HI.

What is the point?

Here's how they got them there, gives new meaning to "circuitous route", about 15,000 nm versus 4100 nm great circle:
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Route: KGSO KLNK KBLI PANC PACD PADK UHPP RJCC RJNW ROAH PGUM PTKK ANYN NVVV NSTU PLCH PHNL

Took one month to do it, presumably waiting for favorable winds and weather since some of these legs are very tight on range (1258 nm being the longest). There's really no alternates for most of it.

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This is so awesome. I love whoever purchased this.

What happens though when it needs to go to a service center?


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Wait, I just read this is a startup that bought these.

Wow - inter island charter an air ambulance use. Wonder if I can sign up now to purchase these for cheap when they go out of biz? I will even ferry them off the island for free.


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Is it not possible to put a big ferry tank in the plane? Seems a lot cheaper.


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They should have bought SF-50's......... :duck:

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They should have bought SF-50's......... :duck:

I had the same thought... really.

You don't need range, speed, or altitude to serve the HI market, and the SF50 perfectly lacks all three. You can fill the seats, too, since you got almost no fuel.

And the water is warm so perhaps not having two engines isn't that big of a deal. There are sharks, though.

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 Post subject: Re: HondaJet in Hawaii
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What happens though when it needs to go to a service center?

You fly 15,000 nm over the open waters of the Pacific. And then back again.

Might take two months.

There are only 15 public airports in HI. You could literally visit them all in one day.

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Is it not possible to put a big ferry tank in the plane? Seems a lot cheaper.

You'd need to about double the fuel capacity, adding roughly 3000 lbs, 440 gallons.

The wing isn't built for that much weight in the cabin, the only available place to put such a tank. The spar bending would well over the limits.

Even if possible, the engineering and paperwork would be substantial cost, perhaps exceeding the cost of the route they used.

Seems like one could find a cargo ship with a flat upper deck, perhaps a RORO carrier, and crane them onto and off the ship with some sort of crate/rigging.

A jet with 1200 nm range in HI makes no sense to me. You'd want a jet that can do 2500 nm to reach US mainland, or something that isn't a jet for island hopping.

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Flew into HNL this afternoon (in the 737) and saw a citation 550 taking off. I was like how did he get here?

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Wow. Can't figure out what they want a HondaJet for. This is the perfect mission for a King Air...

Or... Anyone from SC have an idea as to the ultimate airplane ever built from somewhere over in Europe that is better than all others that could possibly do this mission?

Wait for it.


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Wow. Can't figure out what they want a HondaJet for. This is the perfect mission for a King Air...

Actually, an unpressurized twin would be better, say a DHC-6 Twin Otter. No need for pressurization to go high, no need for retract gear to go fast. Instead, get a big cabin, big door easy to load and short runway use.

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Wing Spirit plans to operate the light jets for inter-island charters, as well as exploring their use for air ambulance and aviation education opportunities throughout the Hawaiian islands. “We are looking forward to revolutionizing the business aviation industry in Hawaii with the HondaJet,” Wing Spirit executive v-p and COO Sal Miwa said. “We are confident the aircraft’s unrivaled performance and comfort will help us to provide our customers with exceptional experiences.”


Hmmm, what would "aviation education opportunities" be ? :scratch:

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Hmmm, what would "aviation education opportunities" be ? :scratch:


Great news, the first opportunity is already at hand. They are about to get an aviation education.

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