17 Apr 2024, 21:26 [ UTC - 5; DST ]
|
Username Protected |
Message |
Username Protected
|
Post subject: HondaJet in Hawaii Posted: 03 Jul 2019, 15:12 |
|
|
|
|
Joined: 12/03/14 Posts: 19252 Post Likes: +23622 Company: Ciholas, Inc Location: KEHR
Aircraft: C560V
|
|
Does this make any sense? "Honda Aircraft has delivered its first HondaJet Elites to a customer in Hawaii" https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news ... n-deliveryThe longest possible flight inside Hawaii is 300 nm, an unlikely route from PHBK to PHTO. Starting at Honolulu, the furthest you can go is 188 nm to PHTO. After that, then the only civilian airport in range is Christmas Island. So the HA-420 can do 422 knots, and a ceiling of Fl430, but it will never see those numbers, ever, in service in HI. What is the point? Here's how they got them there, gives new meaning to "circuitous route", about 15,000 nm versus 4100 nm great circle: Attachment: hondajet-path-to-hi.png Route: KGSO KLNK KBLI PANC PACD PADK UHPP RJCC RJNW ROAH PGUM PTKK ANYN NVVV NSTU PLCH PHNL Took one month to do it, presumably waiting for favorable winds and weather since some of these legs are very tight on range (1258 nm being the longest). There's really no alternates for most of it. Mike C.
Please login or Register for a free account via the link in the red bar above to download files.
_________________ Email mikec (at) ciholas.com
|
|
Top |
|
Username Protected
|
Post subject: Re: HondaJet in Hawaii Posted: 03 Jul 2019, 17:23 |
|
|
|
|
Joined: 12/03/14 Posts: 19252 Post Likes: +23622 Company: Ciholas, Inc Location: KEHR
Aircraft: C560V
|
|
Username Protected wrote: They should have bought SF-50's......... :duck: I had the same thought... really. You don't need range, speed, or altitude to serve the HI market, and the SF50 perfectly lacks all three. You can fill the seats, too, since you got almost no fuel. And the water is warm so perhaps not having two engines isn't that big of a deal. There are sharks, though. Mike C.
_________________ Email mikec (at) ciholas.com
Last edited on 04 Jul 2019, 01:45, edited 2 times in total.
|
|
Top |
|
Username Protected
|
Post subject: Re: HondaJet in Hawaii Posted: 03 Jul 2019, 17:44 |
|
|
|
|
Joined: 12/03/14 Posts: 19252 Post Likes: +23622 Company: Ciholas, Inc Location: KEHR
Aircraft: C560V
|
|
Username Protected wrote: What happens though when it needs to go to a service center? You fly 15,000 nm over the open waters of the Pacific. And then back again. Might take two months. There are only 15 public airports in HI. You could literally visit them all in one day. Mike C.
_________________ Email mikec (at) ciholas.com
|
|
Top |
|
Username Protected
|
Post subject: Re: HondaJet in Hawaii Posted: 04 Jul 2019, 01:19 |
|
|
|
|
Joined: 05/13/18 Posts: 110 Post Likes: +80
Aircraft: B36TC Turbine Air
|
|
Flew w my buddy in his piper this week, we did T&G at 3 of them. Amazing views, for sure.
|
|
Top |
|
Username Protected
|
Post subject: Re: HondaJet in Hawaii Posted: 04 Jul 2019, 01:56 |
|
|
|
|
Joined: 12/03/14 Posts: 19252 Post Likes: +23622 Company: Ciholas, Inc Location: KEHR
Aircraft: C560V
|
|
Username Protected wrote: Is it not possible to put a big ferry tank in the plane? Seems a lot cheaper. You'd need to about double the fuel capacity, adding roughly 3000 lbs, 440 gallons. The wing isn't built for that much weight in the cabin, the only available place to put such a tank. The spar bending would well over the limits. Even if possible, the engineering and paperwork would be substantial cost, perhaps exceeding the cost of the route they used. Seems like one could find a cargo ship with a flat upper deck, perhaps a RORO carrier, and crane them onto and off the ship with some sort of crate/rigging. A jet with 1200 nm range in HI makes no sense to me. You'd want a jet that can do 2500 nm to reach US mainland, or something that isn't a jet for island hopping. Mike C.
_________________ Email mikec (at) ciholas.com
|
|
Top |
|
Username Protected
|
Post subject: Re: HondaJet in Hawaii Posted: 04 Jul 2019, 08:00 |
|
|
|
|
Joined: 10/16/13 Posts: 64 Post Likes: +138 Company: Advantage Technologies Location: Franklin, TN
Aircraft: Citation 510 Mustang
|
|
Wow. Can't figure out what they want a HondaJet for. This is the perfect mission for a King Air...
Or... Anyone from SC have an idea as to the ultimate airplane ever built from somewhere over in Europe that is better than all others that could possibly do this mission?
Wait for it.
|
|
Top |
|
Username Protected
|
Post subject: Re: HondaJet in Hawaii Posted: 04 Jul 2019, 10:33 |
|
|
|
|
Joined: 12/03/14 Posts: 19252 Post Likes: +23622 Company: Ciholas, Inc Location: KEHR
Aircraft: C560V
|
|
Username Protected wrote: Wow. Can't figure out what they want a HondaJet for. This is the perfect mission for a King Air... Actually, an unpressurized twin would be better, say a DHC-6 Twin Otter. No need for pressurization to go high, no need for retract gear to go fast. Instead, get a big cabin, big door easy to load and short runway use. Mike C.
_________________ Email mikec (at) ciholas.com
|
|
Top |
|
Username Protected
|
Post subject: Re: HondaJet in Hawaii Posted: 05 Jul 2019, 02:44 |
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: 12/18/12 Posts: 787 Post Likes: +399 Location: Europe
Aircraft: Aerostar 600A
|
|
Quote: Wing Spirit plans to operate the light jets for inter-island charters, as well as exploring their use for air ambulance and aviation education opportunities throughout the Hawaiian islands. “We are looking forward to revolutionizing the business aviation industry in Hawaii with the HondaJet,” Wing Spirit executive v-p and COO Sal Miwa said. “We are confident the aircraft’s unrivaled performance and comfort will help us to provide our customers with exceptional experiences.” Hmmm, what would "aviation education opportunities" be ?
_________________ A&P/IA P35 Aerostar 600A
|
|
Top |
|
Username Protected
|
Post subject: Re: HondaJet in Hawaii Posted: 20 Jul 2019, 10:37 |
|
|
|
|
Joined: 10/06/16 Posts: 114 Post Likes: +183 Location: Tucson, AZ (winter) & Brunswick, ME (summer)
Aircraft: T210, Aerostar 702P
|
|
Quote: Hmmm, what would "aviation education opportunities" be ? Great news, the first opportunity is already at hand. They are about to get an aviation education. Mark
|
|
Top |
|
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot post attachments in this forum
|
Terms of Service | Forum FAQ | Contact Us
BeechTalk, LLC is the quintessential Beechcraft Owners & Pilots Group providing a
forum for the discussion of technical, practical, and entertaining issues relating to all Beech aircraft. These include
the Bonanza (both V-tail and straight-tail models), Baron, Debonair, Duke, Twin Bonanza, King Air, Sierra, Skipper, Sport, Sundowner,
Musketeer, Travel Air, Starship, Queen Air, BeechJet, and Premier lines of airplanes, turboprops, and turbojets.
BeechTalk, LLC is not affiliated or endorsed by the Beechcraft Corporation, its subsidiaries, or affiliates.
Beechcraft™, King Air™, and Travel Air™ are the registered trademarks of the Beechcraft Corporation.
Copyright© BeechTalk, LLC 2007-2024
|
|
|
|