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I want one of these. Dreaming currently.. https://transportup.com/headlines-breaking-news/the-aw609-osprey-inspired-private-plane-is-expected-for-2020-delivery/

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I see the flight test aircraft tooling around NJ/PA a fair bit. Agusta (or Leonardo, or whatever they are calling it this week) is based at Northeast Philadelphia Airport.

Cool looking aircraft. Hope they find a market for it.

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$25 million for a 7 place turboprop? :bugeye:
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What's the procedure when you lose an engine on one of these, or if there is a problem with the Nacelle rotation for landing?


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What's the procedure when you lose an engine on one of these, or if there is a problem with the Nacelle rotation for landing?

I believe there is a drive shaft connecting both engines.
If there is a mechanical issue, well, there is insurance

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So I’m curious; where do you go to get your Powered Lift category add on?

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So I’m curious; where do you go to get your Powered Lift category add on?


A friend that flew the V22 in the Corps went to the local FSDO with his military endorsements and got a Powered Lift category added on to his FAA cert. Might have also gotten a CFI-PL (or whatever they are calling it).


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Would it require a “multi” helo rating too? :D

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Great. An upgraded pressurized luxury version sells to the public for $25 M. Our government is paying $70 M a piece for the basic utility version.

A friend who currently flies these in the Marines says there really isn't much need for them. Too slow and heavy to be efficient for troop transport, and too expensive and heavy for vertical transport without a huge speed advantage. They are also VERY expensive to maintain and spend a lot of time in maintenance.

But if I won the lottery - first thing I'd buy.

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Great. An upgraded pressurized luxury version sells to the public for $25 M. Our government is paying $70 M a piece for the basic utility version.


The only thing the two aircraft have in common is that they look a bit alike (from a distance). The V22 can carry up to 24 combat equipped troops plus a crew of 3. The interior space of a 609 is smaller than a King Air. I'm not saying that the V22 is worth $70 MM, but it's not really a fair comparison cost-wise.


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A friend who currently flies these in the Marines says there really isn't much need for them. Too slow and heavy to be efficient for troop transport, and too expensive and heavy for vertical transport without a huge speed advantage.


I'm always curious (and sometimes bemused) when I hear folks in the service saying things like this. It's 100 knots faster than the CH-47 or CH-53. The Chinook hauls more but is way slower. The CH-53 hauls about the same, but way slower. What does he think they should be using instead?

The Navy doubled down on the V-22 and is going to use it for the COD role in place of the C-2 (which has a similar payload capacity and cruise speed).


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Great. An upgraded pressurized luxury version sells to the public for $25 M. Our government is paying $70 M a piece for the basic utility version.


The only thing the two aircraft have in common is that they look a bit alike (from a distance). The V22 can carry up to 24 combat equipped troops plus a crew of 3. The interior space of a 609 is smaller than a King Air. I'm not saying that the V22 is worth $70 MM, but it's not really a fair comparison cost-wise.


Good point! I didn't realize it wasn't the same basic aircraft. I've been in the Osprey. Cabin is much larger than the pictures of the new aircraft. My friend who flies the Osprey indicated they rarely carry more than 10-12 troops with gear - it may have to do with fuel/range, not sure. He loves flying them but really didn't think they were all that useful.
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A friend who currently flies these in the Marines says there really isn't much need for them. Too slow and heavy to be efficient for troop transport, and too expensive and heavy for vertical transport without a huge speed advantage.


I'm always curious (and sometimes bemused) when I hear folks in the service saying things like this. It's 100 knots faster than the CH-47 or CH-53. The Chinook hauls more but is way slower. The CH-53 hauls about the same, but way slower. What does he think they should be using instead?

The Navy doubled down on the V-22 and is going to use it for the COD role in place of the C-2 (which has a similar payload capacity and cruise speed).


I understand the specs but the guys using them say there aren't really many missions that fit. If I remember it seemed that if you needed to pick up or land a bunch of guys vertically, you'll use so much fuel (and the Osprey is so heavy) that you don't have any range. Within that short range, the speed advantage over cheaper helicopters isn't that significant. I may not have that right, but it had something to do with the cross section of limitations. The guy I know is a long time Osprey pilot and he's been deployed with the Ospreys several times to active combat areas.
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Before I retired from Cessna, I had some discussions with an engineer from our sister company, Bell Helicopter, regarding civil certification requirements for whatever they called the AW609 back then.

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