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 Post subject: Re: Flying the Skywagon
PostPosted: 26 Oct 2019, 13:32 
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Made that trip many times in the Skywagon (KBJC to KDVT, almost identical).

Over Wolf Creek Pass, then follow the power line to Phoenix :D

Beautiful country.


Yep..powerline indeed. Looks like a good bailout spot until you realize its not.

Isn't there a Monarch Pass in there somewhere by the ski hill?

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 Post subject: Re: Flying the Skywagon
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Houston we have a problem. Put an Alaskan bush tail wheel on. Ugh.

http://youtu.be/-FaWplF0tdM

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 Post subject: Re: Flying the Skywagon
PostPosted: 26 Oct 2019, 20:06 
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Made that trip many times in the Skywagon (KBJC to KDVT, almost identical).

Over Wolf Creek Pass, then follow the power line to Phoenix :D

Beautiful country.


Yep..powerline indeed. Looks like a good bailout spot until you realize its not.

Isn't there a Monarch Pass in there somewhere by the ski hill?


Yes, I would be a right turn (Westbound) from your route, on the way to Gunnison.

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 Post subject: Re: Flying the Skywagon
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Baby Bushwheel?

I went from an 8” to the 10” and all has been good so far. I avoided the Baby Bushwheel for exactly this reason. Heard about too many shimmy problems on pavement.


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 Post subject: Re: Flying the Skywagon
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Baby Bushwheel?

I went from an 8” to the 10” and all has been good so far. I avoided the Baby Bushwheel for exactly this reason. Heard about too many shimmy problems on pavement.


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 Post subject: Re: Flying the Skywagon
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Flew into Red Creek Az yesterday. First time in my 185. Picked a bad time of day as the sun was right in my eyes. Rather not land downhill. Not the greatest landing. Didn’t really pin it. Problem is a go around is challenged by hills. The sun obviously makes it harder. Still learning.

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 Post subject: Re: Flying the Skywagon
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The low sun in the winter months really does render some airstrips and runways almost unusable at certain times of the day.

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 Post subject: Re: Flying the Skywagon
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Leigh’S was kind enough to send a video of a pancake breakfast. Some crazy stuff



http://youtu.be/S2EBDBXMsIY



He did say my Sdl rollout was pathetic. “Hope you don’t fly Jets that way !” He right.

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Leigh’S was kind enough to send a video of a pancake breakfast. Some crazy stuff

He did say my Sdl rollout was pathetic. “Hope you don’t fly Jets that way !” He right.


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What was the length of this strip and was there any grade? Impressive flying and I liked the touch of parking across the street! :thumbup: :bow:

SDL. I need a smart a$$ remark for tower when they ask me, in a TD, to expedite my “extrication” from their RWY. Wanted to tell one yesterday that if I hurried this operation she’d have a lot longer wait than if I didn’t. If anyone has some I’ll put them on a post it note on the glare shield for future use. I’m just not glib, when protecting life and limb, like some I know :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Flying the Skywagon
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Leigh makes a big deal about that in his ground training. “We never expedite anything in this 3000# taildragger. When they ask you to expedite, tell them ‘unable.’”


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After being away on trips and not flying, I flew both the 195 and 180 this weekend. I have no issues flying either, but, truthfully, find the 195 easier to both take off and land smoothly than the 195. As for occasionally skipping, i.e.. bouncing, the 180 on landing, I will again say that the springy gear contributes strongly to that. Of course someone will come on and tell me I'm full of it and need to fly with "what's his name". B.S.

The 195's vertical stabilizer is "way back there" and with any forward speed is much more laterally stable. It will bite you when you slow down. When, with other tail draggers, you are too slow to lose control. Tracking straight in the 195, whether on takeoff or landing, takes far less effort than with the 180. I also find that when I fly the 195 a lot and not the 180, that the 195 sight picture on landing screws up my perspective on the next two or three landings in the 180.

And then, there is simply the issue of the airplane wanting to fly. The 180 gets light almost immediately as you increase power and, I find, that I am often in the air before I even get full power. Admittedly, I have a habit of increasing the throttle very slowly.

I find both airplanes a joy to fly. I seem to never tire of either.

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 Post subject: Re: Flying the Skywagon
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Mark,
What was the length of this strip and was there any grade? Impressive flying and I liked the touch of parking across the street! :thumbup: :bow:

SDL. I need a smart a$$ remark for tower when they ask me, in a TD, to expedite my “extrication” from their RWY. Wanted to tell one yesterday that if I hurried this operation she’d have a lot longer wait than if I didn’t. If anyone has some I’ll put them on a post it note on the glare shield for future use. I’m just not glib, when protecting life and limb, like some I know :lol:


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The L19 was landing down hill. Everyone else was landing correctly up hill. Landing up hill they can take up to 15kts of tailwind. Which then makes the takeoff easy. Down hill into the wind. It’s a strip that plays games with the visual. Trees to barn is ruffly 2000’, but the strip curves, slopes, and it’s a no go around strip. Easy strip once you understand that all you have to do is get airborne and fly west the terrain falls away so you don’t need to climb much. Great restaurant that serves maple syrup with everything.

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The L19 landing looked pretty cool :thumbup: I don't think I'd try it but I liked it.

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Mark,
What was the length of this strip and was there any grade? Impressive flying and I liked the touch of parking across the street! :thumbup: :bow:

SDL. I need a smart a$$ remark for tower when they ask me, in a TD, to expedite my “extrication” from their RWY. Wanted to tell one yesterday that if I hurried this operation she’d have a lot longer wait than if I didn’t. If anyone has some I’ll put them on a post it note on the glare shield for future use. I’m just not glib, when protecting life and limb, like some I know :lol:


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The L19 was landing down hill. Everyone else was landing correctly up hill. Landing up hill they can take up to 15kts of tailwind. Which then makes the takeoff easy. Down hill into the wind. It’s a strip that plays games with the visual. Trees to barn is ruffly 2000’, but the strip curves, slopes, and it’s a no go around strip. Easy strip once you understand that all you have to do is get airborne and fly west the terrain falls away so you don’t need to climb much. Great restaurant that serves maple syrup with everything.


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Mark,
What was the length of this strip and was there any grade? Impressive flying and I liked the touch of parking across the street! :thumbup: :bow:

SDL. I need a smart a$$ remark for tower when they ask me, in a TD, to expedite my “extrication” from their RWY. Wanted to tell one yesterday that if I hurried this operation she’d have a lot longer wait than if I didn’t. If anyone has some I’ll put them on a post it note on the glare shield for future use. I’m just not glib, when protecting life and limb, like some I know :lol:


Leigh’s response

The L19 was landing down hill. Everyone else was landing correctly up hill. Landing up hill they can take up to 15kts of tailwind. Which then makes the takeoff easy. Down hill into the wind. It’s a strip that plays games with the visual. Trees to barn is ruffly 2000’, but the strip curves, slopes, and it’s a no go around strip. Easy strip once you understand that all you have to do is get airborne and fly west the terrain falls away so you don’t need to climb much. Great restaurant that serves maple syrup with everything.


Thought it might be uphill for them and curved. Did seem many were using a slip coming in over the trees too? Impressive. Requires skill, training, aircraft and stones or their equivalent. Great share. C
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Leigh makes a big deal about that in his ground training. “We never expedite anything in this 3000# taildragger. When they ask you to expedite, tell them ‘unable.’”


I prefer the Southern version of “unable.”


“Yeah. That ain’t happening.”

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