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Post subject: Re: Flying the Skywagon Posted: 21 Nov 2022, 12:54 |
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Joined: 09/23/09 Posts: 11883 Post Likes: +10548 Location: Cascade, Idaho (U70)
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Username Protected wrote: Did a TW recurrent with Leigh Smith, the Skywagon Whisperer. Exhausting but well worth the butt kicking. If you can get on his calendar you should. Day one we had 20 knot crosswinds to the turf runway ar KOXI. This video shows one of my landings where i learned the importance of keeping the yoke all away back after landing. You can see i was bouncing because I wasnt aft enough. On departure, Leigh pulled the mixture and said land it. I turned left INTO the wind vs landing straight ahead where i would have had to wrestle with the crosswind. Never had to land off airport for real in a training scenario. Did it three more times. Of course all randomly. Stinker [youtube]https://youtu.be/LHDNgfgkSzQ[/youtube] Regarding the “full aft” yoke. While i only fly a mere mortal ‘61 182, the “full aft” yoke makes alot of difference. Frankly, i dont think most folks use it but that last “difficult to pull” inch makes a world of elevator authority “flare” difference.
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Skywagon Posted: 21 Nov 2022, 19:03 |
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Joined: 09/29/14 Posts: 158 Post Likes: +110
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Username Protected wrote: On departure, Leigh pulled the mixture and said land it.
Maybe just me, but if an instructor in my plane pulled the mixture killing the engine without my consent the lesson would be over. I'll save dead stick off airport landings for true emergencies. Think deer, wet ground, potholes, etc. with no power to go around. For me simulated gives you close enough training without the added risk.
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Skywagon Posted: 21 Nov 2022, 20:59 |
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Joined: 05/29/13 Posts: 13587 Post Likes: +10972 Company: Easy Ice, LLC Location: Marquette, Michigan; Scottsdale, AZ, Telluride
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Username Protected wrote: On departure, Leigh pulled the mixture and said land it.
Maybe just me, but if an instructor in my plane pulled the mixture killing the engine without my consent the lesson would be over. I'll save dead stick off airport landings for true emergencies. Think deer, wet ground, potholes, etc. with no power to go around. For me simulated gives you close enough training without the added risk.
You are not alone. That said…he knows the field like the back of his hand. I was fine with it.
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Skywagon Posted: 22 Nov 2022, 08:23 |
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Joined: 11/25/11 Posts: 9168 Post Likes: +17163 Location: KGNF, Grenada, MS
Aircraft: Baron, 180,195,J-3
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I will repeat myself.
I bought my 180 after I sold the Aerostar. It was to be "my retirement airplane". I rigged it up to be a cross country airplane an put in good avionics for that purpose. It is good, reliable cross country transportation and will scare the pants off of a 225 hp Deb in cruise.
When I bought the airplane, I had never even flown in a 180, much less flown one. Ferrying it back, my first landing was in 15 knot winds about 45 degrees off the nose and the second in 25 knot (reported) at sunset. I realized pretty quickly that those landings were harder on the airplane than on me.
Landings in strong crosswinds are hard on the airplane: PERIOD. There is a reason that titanium gears are available for the 180, BECAUSE THE STOCK GEAR WILL FAIL.
I'm not going to pound my chest and tell you all what a he man pilot I am and how I land the 180 in 20 knot crosswind components with aplomb. I'm going to tell you that I don't want to tear up my 180. I do not intend to expose the airplane to 15+ crosswind components again if I can avoid them.
The same goes for the 195. Just lower the speeds a few knots more.
The Baron is oblivious to 15-20 knot crosswinds. Seems like a good choice.
Jg
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Skywagon Posted: 22 Nov 2022, 09:21 |
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Joined: 11/25/11 Posts: 9168 Post Likes: +17163 Location: KGNF, Grenada, MS
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I should add this experience.
With enough side force, you can roll a tire. You will then be landing on the wheel.
It happened last winter here at KGNF to a Hello Courier that an inexperienced pilot, new buyer, was ferrying from Florida to Arizona. It broke the wheel of course. Other than having to replace the wheel, the airplane was fine. He was an idiot. I offered to fly it to AZ for expenses. To save face, he claimed there were other damages, there were not, and had the airplane broken down and hauled to AZ to be "rebuilt".
Jg
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Skywagon Posted: 22 Nov 2022, 10:49 |
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Joined: 03/01/14 Posts: 2152 Post Likes: +1644 Location: 0TX0 Granbury TX
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I wholeheartedly agree with you JGG. There are times when a differently aligned runway is necessary. Once the aerodynamic pressures will no longer overcome the wind and you’re a sitting duck in a weathervane that will point into the wind.
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Skywagon Posted: 22 Nov 2022, 15:34 |
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Joined: 11/25/11 Posts: 9168 Post Likes: +17163 Location: KGNF, Grenada, MS
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Mark, As Dirty Harry said, "A man needs to know his limitations". That is a lot easier when you get old and lose some false bravado. Jg
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Skywagon Posted: 22 Nov 2022, 16:00 |
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Joined: 03/01/14 Posts: 2152 Post Likes: +1644 Location: 0TX0 Granbury TX
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I’ll again say dogmatically, “The older I get, the better I was.”
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Skywagon Posted: 23 Nov 2022, 15:20 |
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Joined: 09/13/10 Posts: 5 Post Likes: +1 Location: Castleton, NY
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Does anyone have experience with a TAT TN 185, specifically with a 550? I’ve got all the speed mods on my airframe already. What kind of TAS increases could I expect? Thanks
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