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 Post subject: Re: Flying the Skywagon
PostPosted: 03 Mar 2021, 20:37 
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I took my first real xc today in Psycho Billy since the install of the new engine. Went to other side of Little Rock to look at a truck crane I need. NO DOUBT, I'm making more horsepower than with the old engine. What a perfect day for flying as well. The panel pic let's you see what Psycho Billy can do now at 65%. Pretty good for an old straight leg Cessna. The other pic is as I was crossing the Mississippi River with Grenada Lake in the far distance.

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 Post subject: Re: Flying the Skywagon
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That’s pretty impressive stuff. Any cooling issues?


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 Post subject: Re: Flying the Skywagon
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Stuart,

It seems not. Yesterday morning it was about 40F when I departed KGNF. I had the cowl flaps closed and #4 reached 400F climbing at 95 mph. With cowl flaps half open, it came down below 380. With my old engine, outside OAT's didn't seem to make much difference and flying with cowl flaps half open doesn't make 2 mph difference in speed.

As you can see on the EDM, cruise temps of the three highest cylinders is 360 or so.

I pushed her up to 75% and got 171 still burning under 14 gph, but I never fly anything over 65%.

To be completely honest, my steam gauge AI shows about 3-4 mph slower indicated than the Aspen and the truth may be between those indications. Still, even 160 mph at 65% in a 180 is really nice.

This airplane is a delight to fly and does so straight and true. For which, I will give credit to Del Lehman and his shop. I have one option that most don't even know was an option on a 180: rudder trim. It had been bypassed many years ago and "jury-rigged" for no rudder trim. Del realized this, found the necessary parts, and put the airplane back to original configuration.

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 Post subject: Re: Flying the Skywagon
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Stuart,

It seems not. Yesterday morning it was about 40F when I departed KGNF. I had the cowl flaps closed and #4 reached 400F climbing at 95 mph. With cowl flaps half open, it came down below 380. With my old engine, outside OAT's didn't seem to make much difference and flying with cowl flaps half open doesn't make 2 mph difference in speed.

As you can see on the EDM, cruise temps of the three highest cylinders is 360 or so.

I pushed her up to 75% and got 171 still burning under 14 gph, but I never fly anything over 65%.

To be completely honest, my steam gauge AI shows about 3-4 mph slower indicated than the Aspen and the truth may be between those indications. Still, even 160 mph at 65% in a 180 is really nice.

This airplane is a delight to fly and does so straight and true. For which, I will give credit to Del Lehman and his shop. I have one option that most don't even know was an option on a 180: rudder trim. It had been bypassed many years ago and "jury-rigged" for no rudder trim. Del realized this, found the necessary parts, and put the airplane back to original configuration.

Jg


Oh man..... I use rudder trim quite a bit on my 61 182D. I wonder why somebody would not want it. You can always leave it in one position if that floats your boat.
160 mph? Well done.

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Is something up with the Bushwheel Bill tail cone kit? McFarlane recently contracted to sell it, but the page for it has become unavailable.


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Stuart,

It seems not. Yesterday morning it was about 40F when I departed KGNF. I had the cowl flaps closed and #4 reached 400F climbing at 95 mph. With cowl flaps half open, it came down below 380. With my old engine, outside OAT's didn't seem to make much difference and flying with cowl flaps half open doesn't make 2 mph difference in speed.

As you can see on the EDM, cruise temps of the three highest cylinders is 360 or so.

I pushed her up to 75% and got 171 still burning under 14 gph, but I never fly anything over 65%.

To be completely honest, my steam gauge AI shows about 3-4 mph slower indicated than the Aspen and the truth may be between those indications. Still, even 160 mph at 65% in a 180 is really nice.

This airplane is a delight to fly and does so straight and true. For which, I will give credit to Del Lehman and his shop. I have one option that most don't even know was an option on a 180: rudder trim. It had been bypassed many years ago and "jury-rigged" for no rudder trim. Del realized this, found the necessary parts, and put the airplane back to original configuration.

Jg

That's awesome, Johnny. Really good to hear this.

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 Post subject: Re: Flying the Skywagon
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I took my first real xc today in Psycho Billy since the install of the new engine. Went to other side of Little Rock to look at a truck crane I need. NO DOUBT, I'm making more horsepower than with the old engine. What a perfect day for flying as well. The panel pic let's you see what Psycho Billy can do now at 65%. Pretty good for an old straight leg Cessna. The other pic is as I was crossing the Mississippi River with Grenada Lake in the far distance.

Jg



John,

What engine did you put in?

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 Post subject: Re: Flying the Skywagon
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Patrick,

It is a Continental "rebuild" purchased through Airpower. I asked, and received, for the proper term for my engine and here it is, straight from Continental.


"The proper term is actually Factory-Rebuild (neither factory uses the term “reman” actually, and it is definitely not an overhaul. An overhaul is something done in the field, and can be done to serviceable limits, not necessarily new limits. The Rebuilt engine, which only Continental can offer (anything else is an overhaul), must be built to brand-new limits/specs. The term Rebuilt is specifically for an engine direct from the manufacturer, to factory-new specs, that is why only it is a true zero-time (no history) engine, with a brand-new serial number (the FAA doesn’t allow overhaul shops to do that)."

They build when you order and mine took just under 90 days to be shipped. They gave me full credit for my old core even though it wasn't going to pass anything. I don't know if they still have that incentive or not.

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CMI does overhauls at there Fairhope facility. You can ship your old engine there and they will rebuild it. It will then be a factory overhaul but not zero time.


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CMI does overhauls at there Fairhope facility. You can ship your old engine there and they will rebuild it. It will then be a factory overhaul but not zero time.


Stan Musick had his Skyland engine done there and was very happy. I probably would have taken the same route had it not been for the full core credit policy.

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...I have one option that most don't even know was an option on a 180: rudder trim. It had been bypassed many years ago and "jury-rigged" for no rudder trim. Del realized this, found the necessary parts, and put the airplane back to original configuration.

Jg

That's awesome.


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Oh man..... I use rudder trim quite a bit on my 61 182D. I wonder why somebody would not want it. You can always leave it in one position if that floats your boat.
160 mph? Well done.


The rudder trim includes a bungee. Remove the trim device and you reduce the foot pressure required to deflect the rudder. Light controls are are what some desire most in the early 180s. If your style is to go and play in crosswinds, slip the airplane into tight strips, and not spend much time in climb where sustained right rudder heats heavy, then deselecting the rudder trim option might be right for you.

Not an option in my 185.

The rudder trim was required for a particular float installation. I can’t remember which one. Yaw stability can become a factor on floats. The bungee holding the rudder steady improves yaw stability.


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I added the rudder trim and love it.


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Is something up with the Bushwheel Bill tail cone kit? McFarlane recently contracted to sell it, but the page for it has become unavailable.

Rumor has it there is some sort of paperwork (FAA?) issue. More details on BCP.


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