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 Post subject: Re: 180 vs citabria
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Thanks for the comments. Somewhat reinforcing what I was thinking. I’m not concerned with the glass, he flies right seat with me in the cj2 and he needs to be able to read that. I concur with looking outside the airplane, but there is no analog gauges in either airplane. Ultimately I want to make sure he has good stick and rudder - that will save you someday.

At the end of the day, I’m just excited he wants to learn.


I went from a Cessna 152 to a C180 via a TW endorsement in a J3.

If he’s young he’ll learn really fast in either if he’s motivated. If he’s landing a jet already I don’t think the 180 will be a barrier. Do whatever YOU want. And btw is the 180 project for sale?
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Left hand on the throttle, right hand on the stick.... After he masters that, he will be able to fly any and everything.


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Learning in both airplanes will serve him well as time passes. He’ll get the basics from the Citabria and handling higher performance from the 180. And, time with you in the jet really tops the whole picture. I agree with the guys recommending covering the glass, I learned in Luscombes and Stearmans that most instruments were inop. You learn to fly the airplane from the ‘seat of your pants ‘ which will likely pay off some day.


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Both are really cool options and I am envious of your son for getting this opportunity! :D

Personally, I would go for the 180 as it has more utility and the ability to made into a good seaplane. Maybe the 180 is not as good of a “stick and rudder” teacher, but still pretty neato!


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The 180 will make turn that boy into a man.

Seriously, I would start him off the 180. It might take a few more hours to master, but kids learn quick. After that everything else will be easier, except a Pitts.

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Both are really cool options and I am envious of your son for getting this opportunity! :D

Personally, I would go for the 180 as it has more utility and the ability to made into a good seaplane. Maybe the 180 is not as good of a “stick and rudder” teacher, but still pretty neato!



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Who needs round dials or glass? My first 7 hours were in a J3. I was 5'9" back then, my instructor was 6'2". I never saw much of the panel. :D


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I have instructed in both.

I would worry that a 10 year old is big and strong enough for a 180. So I would start him in the Citabria. Plus it will be magic for him to be in front and be "in charge".

But, put him in the 180 when he gets bigger. Young people learn so fast, it will be easy for him to be flying both before his 16th. That gives you a couple of years to finish your restoration.


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Jason, if you are personally doing the 180 restoration, get him some wrenching time during the process. He could see it as part of the process of getting ready for the flying. It is some priceless knowledge to learn how the pieces fit together and how the form follows function in aircraft. It is also very transferable to many things later in life.


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Who needs round dials or glass? My first 7 hours were in a J3. I was 5'9" back then, my instructor was 6'2". I never saw much of the panel. :D



I learned to fly in a J3, my dad learned in a J3, and I just bought a J3 for my Granddaughter to learn in. Of course it's a hopped up clip wing with an O-200. :thumbup: :pilot:


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Who needs round dials or glass? My first 7 hours were in a J3. I was 5'9" back then, my instructor was 6'2". I never saw much of the panel. :D



I learned to fly in a J3, my dad learned in a J3, and I just bought a J3 for my Granddaughter to learn in. Of course it's a hopped up clip wing with an O-200. :thumbup: :pilot:


Greg,
Sounds like you and your grand daughter need to schedule a weekend of aerobatics with Greg Koontz when she has her license. He puts you up in his house, feed you and training is in his Super Decathlon. Of course after hours he does his own routine in a clipped wing cub behind the house and hangar your sitting in watching from.
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I learned to fly in a J3, my dad learned in a J3, and I just bought a J3 for my Granddaughter to learn in. Of course it's a hopped up clip wing with an O-200. :thumbup: :pilot:[/quote]

Greg,
Sounds like you and your grand daughter need to schedule a weekend of aerobatics with Greg Koontz when she has her license. He puts you up in his house, feed you and training is in his Super Decathlon. Of course after hours he does his own routine in a clipped wing cub behind the house and hangar your sitting in watching from.[/quote]

I bought the Cub from a local that flew the aerobatic circuit. I have to leave for work Friday and asked if he'd take Skyler flying in the Cub, he's excited to do it, she's kind of fearless. Also he had never heard of light sport and said he let his medical expire and thought he wasn't legal, he's been at the airport everyday I've been working on the plane and He's flown it as much as I have this week, a half hour's work takes all day with all the hangar flying.


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had i posted the question it would be because i was tired of grinding on the nasty old 180 and needed an excuse to let it go. you are, i'm sure, a much better person than i.

face it - the citabria belongs to the boy and you are just the docent so go finish YOUR 180. also, you really need to start hiding airplane keys NOW!


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