BeechTalk - BT

Username Protected · **Posted:** 27 Mar 2019, 12:38

Okay. Conjecture. But I’ve pretty much been told they aren’t going to do a CJ4+. BWTHDIK. Anyway if one was to bring out a new plane, SP, what should Cessna look for?

For me: 2500nm range, 450 kts. Then everything the 4 has. Single point refueling, real glass windshields, external lav Service, Vref less than the 3. What else?

Oh yeah. Something other than the PL21. Fusion, G3000.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 27 Mar 2019, 13:06

the CJ4 with garmin. I already like the airplane otherwise.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 27 Mar 2019, 13:10

Username Protected wrote:

the CJ4 with garmin. I already like the airplane otherwise.

You fly the plane Brent? Seems like people find the PL21 OK. Just seems dated to me.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 27 Mar 2019, 14:10

CJ5 = Single Pilot XLS with Garmin 5000.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 27 Mar 2019, 14:16

2500nm range and SP would be a game changer.

How could they pull it off? I'm not a big fan of going to FL510 but I did it in Learjets for a few years and I'm not sure that the risk is much more than SP at 450, I'd bet 510 gets them 1/2 way there - I'm sure they could program the AP to do an emergency descent and level off. Then add a bit more fuel, a bit more to the max gross, a bit more aerodynamic tweaking and a bit more fuel efficient engines (I bet Williams continues to make them better) and I think they'd be there. This is the Cessna approach - incremental improvements.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 27 Mar 2019, 15:49

Username Protected wrote:

CJ5 = Single Pilot XLS with Garmin 5000.

only if they give it T-tail too.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 27 Mar 2019, 15:53

Username Protected wrote:

the CJ4 with garmin. I already like the airplane otherwise.

You fly the plane Brent? Seems like people find the PL21 OK. Just seems dated to me.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 27 Mar 2019, 22:46

Single pilot.
Double club.
Range to reach Honolulu from CA with 4 passengers, baggage, and two crew, against a 100 knot headwind.
Operate from <4,000' runway at MGTOW at ISA +30F.
450+ kts high speed cruise.
400+ kts long range cruise.
G3000
<6,000' cabin at FL45.
And a cherry on top.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 27 Mar 2019, 23:57

Username Protected wrote:

Single pilot.
Double club.
Range to reach Honolulu from CA with 4 passengers, baggage, and two crew, against a 100 knot headwind.
Operate from <4,000' runway at MGTOW at ISA +30F.
450+ kts high speed cruise.
400+ kts long range cruise.
G3000
<6,000' cabin at FL45.
And a cherry on top.

All for less than a TBM.... :roll:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 Mar 2019, 07:57

Username Protected wrote:

2500nm range and SP would be a game changer.

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See. That’s what I think they need with the next CJ. A game changer. Or else the 300 (and maybe the PC24) just keep eating their lunch. Seems to be quite the engineering hurdle though. But today’s systems and avionics it seems like it should be doable. And yeah, if it takes 51 to do it, well it takes 51 to do it. JC must be looking pretty hard at that G5000 XLS. Charter pilots love the XLS.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 Mar 2019, 08:57

Username Protected wrote:

2500nm range and SP would be a game changer.

.

See. That’s what I think they need with the next CJ. A game changer. Or else the 300 (and maybe the PC24) just keep eating their lunch. Seems to be quite the engineering hurdle though. But today’s systems and avionics it seems like it should be doable. And yeah, if it takes 51 to do it, well it takes 51 to do it. JC must be looking pretty hard at that G5000 XLS. Charter pilots love the XLS.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 Mar 2019, 09:15

Not to derail the thread but..

What is the criteria that makes one jet single pilot and other seemingly similar jets dual?

Ron

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 Mar 2019, 10:08

The consistent message and thoughts on the CJ5, is that Textron is not limited by design themselves, but by the engine makers. There isn't an engine that provides them anything better than what is already out there.