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For a light jet, give me an Elite ll

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Jet It obviously needs better pilots.

Do they look for the most incompetent people they can find to hire.
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To borrow a quote from George Takei, "Oh, My!"

The other two operators who commented positively will likely see improved service as a result, I guess.

To someone more familiar with Japanese business culture: While this is an example of "losing face" for HondaJet and will likely result in a few more public responses beyond the article, what are the typical ways a Japanese business responds to an "attack" like this in the long term?

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Here's a video we just put together on the CJ, specifically the CJ with the G600TXI suite.

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Jet It obviously needs better pilots.

Do they look for the most incompetent people they can find to hire.



That may be...but in fairness the Honda Jet is reportedly sporty in crosswinds.

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Hopefully Hondajets get super cheap. Love those planes and I trust Honda to stand behind their product long term more than I do any aviation company!


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For a light jet, give me an Elite ll

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Spend some time on the Honda jet pilots assn. forum and you get a fair picture.
Most operators love the plane but the constant recurring CAS messages tied the all the electronic systems are a big source of frustration. Sort of like the eclipse. Too integrated. Too much complexity. Some parts are hard to get. Some service has been clearly below expectations. A few owners without the parts program HC2 or whatever it is, are hurting.
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Hopefully Hondajets get super cheap. Love those planes and I trust Honda to stand behind their product long term more than I do any aviation company!


Mitsubishi?…


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Here's a video we just put together on the CJ, specifically the CJ with the G600TXI suite.

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The best light jet, just as the best piston aircraft, is the one I’m privileged to fly. Therefore, there is no “best light jet.” Or piston twin, for that matter. Currently, the best piston single is the Piper Archer.

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The best light jet, just as the best piston aircraft, is the one I’m privileged to fly.


Agree!! I am just as happy flying a DA40 as a Citation Mustang. The beauty of the DA40 is for the same trip, you get 3 times as much air time ;-)

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The best light jet, just as the best piston aircraft, is the one I’m privileged to fly.


Agree!! I am just as happy flying a DA40 as a Citation Mustang. The beauty of the DA40 is for the same trip, you get 3 times as much air time ;-)

Twice as nice at half the price!

(Ok, not exactly, but the actual numbers didn't rhyme).
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Six people. Lab. 10 pairs of skis and luggage for 10 days. Landed and departed KTEX!


How far is TEX to SDL? 45 min?


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Six people. Lab. 10 pairs of skis and luggage for 10 days. Landed and departed KTEX!


How far is TEX to SDL? 45 min?


Hour 10 with headwinds. We flew from KSAw to KoJC to KSDL and then KTEX next day. 2000 lbs fuel. Vs 2700
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Hour 10 with headwinds.

Mark, be honest. :-)

We can check your figures.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/FFL ... /KSDL/KTEX

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/FFL ... /KTEX/KSDL

Looks like 1:23 and 1:22 flight times.

As long as we are bragging, flight planner says 1:00, 1480 lbs fuel for my V from KTEX to KSDL with a 5 knot tailwind.

Was the stop in KABQ for fuel? I wouldn't need one on a KOJC to KSDL leg. I'd save about 90 minutes total.

As long as we are bragging... :-)

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