BeechTalk - BT

Username Protected · **Posted:** 09 Sep 2019, 00:05

Username Protected wrote:

Set the 210 up in cruise with the gear down, mark the speed. Then retract the gear and mark the speed. That will tell you how much of a factor the gear is. The rest is in the airfoil, and other airframe cleanup.

I flew a T210 for 9 years. Fly a 185 IO550 now. 145 kt on 6:00-6. (small tires because the ground is frozen when I’m on wheels, and I’m hard on tires as I learn to fly taildragger, so I may as well fly the cheap ones for now!) 125 kt on Aerocet amphibs.

The 185 doesn’t have strut cuffs, or any other aerodynamic refinements. It doesn’t slip through the ether, it smashes its way through by burning lots of fuel. It’s spartan, utilitarian, a Swiss Army Knife of airplanes, and I like it, or I’d still have the T210.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 09 Sep 2019, 10:58

Username Protected wrote:

In the 180/185 if you’re look8ng for speed, Snyder would tell you one secret is a larger and heavier tail wheel. It is out of the airflow in cruise and being heavier and further aft helps CG. Shhh don’t tell everyone. :coffee:

I was always curious why Tommy Rose’s airplane had a big tailwheel. His airplane didn’t look that radical, and I always hear him mentioned as having had a fast airframe.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 09 Sep 2019, 14:20

Username Protected wrote:

Set the 210 up in cruise with the gear down, mark the speed. Then retract the gear and mark the speed. That will tell you how much of a factor the gear is. The rest is in the airfoil, and other airframe cleanup.

Isn't cruise speed greater than the max speed to operate the gear? It is on the 182RG.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 10 Sep 2019, 08:31

Well boys, unless you wanna call my Garmin 430W a liar :bugeye:

or insinuate, like my friend Stan M. has

, that I don't know how to perform a 4 way speed check, the Psycho Billy Skywagon will cruise 145 knots. :thumbup:

But you can't have both. Big wheels, no pants, etc. and you have a 135 knot airplane.

Usually, a Cessna 195 will handily walk away from a 180/185. I have posted, on the 195 FB site, an upcoming "race" between my 195, which is pretty quick itself, and the 180. Seven thousand feet, max cruise RPM and full throttle which will give both airplanes about 71% power I think.

I will "film" the results. It should be interesting. :thumbup:

Jg

Cessna 210 NA vs Cessna 185