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 Post subject: Bombardier Global 7500
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That would have to be the ultimate business jet...

7700 nm range.

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Let me know when you are dumping the TBM for this jet. When 7,800nm of range is not enough you can move up to this $400 million toy:

https://www.businessinsider.com/boeing- ... et-2018-12

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Looks like a CRJ 900 with long range tanks.

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Looks like a CRJ 900 with long range tanks.


Don't say that out loud, I once called one a challenger and that pilot sure took it bad.


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Looks like a CRJ 900 with long range tanks.


Don't say that out loud, I once called one a challenger and that pilot sure took it bad.


Ha ha! Yeah I’m sure it would offend some.
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While I like the back of the Global Express, the back for the G-V and G-650 is fantastic. The legs and speed still impress me to this day. While I miss working on those birds and twisting knobs up front as a guest on test flights, now I just get to visit one occasionally with friends and former students. They are amazing business jets and celebrity shuttles.

The Falcon 50 and G-V are still my favorite biz jets. Bombardier makes a good plane and a good jet ski. Gulfstream focuses on ONE thing - The Worlds’s Premier Intercontinental Business Jet.


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Ugly might be a bit harsh, but it's no Gulfstream.

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I have to say that I wonder about both the cost and the reasoning to own one of these. I mean, I'd do it if I had the coin, because I mean, heck it's awesome.

I'd just love to see the numbers that make it past the CFO and the Board of Directors that swing the purchase decision.


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I'd just love to see the numbers that make it past the CFO and the Board of Directors that swing the purchase decision.


Apple gave Steve Jobs a G5 in 2001 after his masterful turnaround job. Until then, he took 0 compensation while growing them from a 2B market cap to 16B. All in, the jet cost Apple $90M, which I'd say is a pretty good spend for the return they got.

https://www.cnet.com/news/apples-jobs-gets-jet-shares-in-bonus/

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I have to say that I wonder about both the cost and the reasoning to own one of these. I mean, I'd do it if I had the coin, because I mean, heck it's awesome.

I'd just love to see the numbers that make it past the CFO and the Board of Directors that swing the purchase decision.



There are a lot of factors -

Part of it is the ability to travel from NY to Hong Kong non-stop. For a company executive, where time is money and calculated in the tens of thousands per hour, this plane is a mission enabler.

I knew a CEO that used his Citaiton X to move himself and staff from their home base to the west coast for work, and then back later that week. Somehow he made it less expensive than the airlines.

When you look at the cost economics of moving quite a few people via G-650 (or Global Express) instead of first class, it can make sense. When you are moving just one, it can make sense dependent upon their time and the opportunity cost going through the airport.

For some folks it is a security issue and they don't want their elected official on a commercial flight.

Looking at the cost economics for a business retreat for 6 board members travelling from NY to Aspen, also taking their assistant, the 3.25 hour flight from NY to ASE will cost $16,500. There is some overhead related to parking and the pilots have elected to stay in Denver for the Broncos game that weekend. We plan for $20,000 down and $14,500 on the way back.

Comparable flights on the airlines were between 9.5 and 12.5 hours and the coach class ticket was $1,154 round-trip. The First Class ticket was $2,704. That cost of 12 people flying first is $32,448 plus applicable taxes nearly justifies the trip. When you look at a day of business that is not taken traveling, it makes sense.


Then there are some plain ridiculous scenarios, like a certain actor that didn't want to fly on the Citation X but wanted the G-V. They switched the plane and they went LA to NYC with their assistant.

...or a certain star that allegedly took a 747 that allegedly really sat on the ground with the APU running.

Some aircraft are tools and some are status symbols. Some are both. They all have a mission that they serve and enable.


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I was at Apple in the "Jobs-II" era. I do know that in corporate hardball world, rewards aren't given unless there's a contract in existence already for that reward, and big sums of money or trinkets answer the questions, "How much is this guy worth to us?" and, "How much do we spend to retain him?"

A publicly-traded corporation has fiduciary duties, at least ostensibly, to the shareholders. They also have tax law and so on to comply with.

I know of big corporations that have several corporate jets for executive use. I happened to work for a big corporation that had a fleet of corporate jets for the plebes to ride on between major locations. The plebe jets are a little easier to figure out. It's just seats flown vs. seats ticketed and dollars and time wasted. Even then, these aircraft are actually leased from and operated by an external company.

There's no getting around that a large intercontinental ( or any other ) jet is a substantial capital investment. It will also carry substantial operating costs and a substantial level of risk. The risk is not just from the obvious possibility of accident, but there's operational risk as well, in terms of downtime for a variety of reason ranging from mechanical to simply staffing the flight crew.

But clearly - those justifications exist, or such craft would not be produced.


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