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 Post subject: Re: RVSM and ADSB
PostPosted: 11 Jan 2019, 09:10 
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I thought the same thing when I read it, but as was pointed out to me in another forum discussing the same topic, when you read it carefully, it suggests that IF you have TCASII, it must be of a specific type, but you don’t have to have it. I guess if it were perfectly clear, it would not have been written by the FAA.

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 Post subject: Re: RVSM and ADSB
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TCAS II is required equipment.

No, it isn't.

(4) A TCAS II that meets TSO C-119b (Version 7.0), or a later version, if equipped with TCAS II, unless otherwise authorized by the Administrator.

If you are equipped with TCAS II, it must be 7.0 or later. If you are not equipped, no requirement to be so.

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 Post subject: Re: RVSM and ADSB
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One thing that I haven’t seen mentioned here for the new ruling is what I found in the fine print. TCAS II is required equipment. I don’t think many of us have that. Am I reading this correctly? TCAS II is different than just TCAS or a TAS system as many of us have. TCAS II gives you RA’s, Resolution Advisories.

No, read it more carefully. If you have TCAS II, it has to be of a certain version.

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 Post subject: Re: RVSM and ADSB
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TCAS II is required equipment.

No, it isn't.

(4) A TCAS II that meets TSO C-119b (Version 7.0), or a later version, if equipped with TCAS II, unless otherwise authorized by the Administrator.

If you are equipped with TCAS II, it must be 7.0 or later. If you are not equipped, no requirement to be so.

Mike C.

I struggled with this too, a much clearer English way to phrase it would have been:

(4) If equipped with TCAS II, The TCAS II must be TSO C-119b (Version 7.0), or a later version, unless otherwise authorized by the Administrator.

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 Post subject: Re: RVSM and ADSB
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"Regulation-speak" of the FAA with things like this always remind me of the comment my instrument instructor gave me many years ago when I told him that I had read the FAR/AIM but was having trouble determining what the FAA considers "known icing" so as to determine when it was legal to fly in my then non-FIKI Cessna T210. His answer was that "the main thrust of the FAA regulations are written such that if an aircraft gets iced up, can't hold altitude and falls on a house, it has to be the pilot's fault. Further meteorological data and criteria are secondary."

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I posted this in the thread about RVSM and ADS-B in Turbine Talk. Figure I would post it here too...

I reached out to Ric Peri, VP of Government and Industry Affairs with the Aircraft Electronics Association, a subject matter expert. I asked:

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There is some confusion out there regarding the new Part 91 Appendix G that I am hoping you could help clear up. The way I read it, the new rule only eliminates the need for an LOA. The equipment requirements remain unchanged. There are some who believe the new rule allows them to fly in RVSM airspace with their previously non-compliant equipment as long as it is within tolerance on that flight. Wondering what your take is?


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In the preamble to the final rule (page 65490) the FAA states: “In the NPRM, the FAA only proposed to remove the requirement to submit an application for RVSM authorization if an aircraft is equipped with a qualified ADS–B Out system.”

So, as I read the rule, you are correct in that the new rule only eliminates the need for an LOA. There is nothing in the new rule that would indicate a change in the equipment requirements or the aircraft certification requirements.


If your equipment wasn't good enough for RVSM before the new rule, it isn't good enough now.


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Has this article from Dec 31, 2018 already been posted?.

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news ... on-process

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Operators of ADS–B Out-equipped aircraft will be able to begin RVSM operations immediately when the new rule is effective on January 22. The RVSM application process itself will in effect be eliminated entirely after Jan. 1, 2020 when all aircraft intending to operate in RVSM and other controlled airspace must be ADS-B equipped.


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How will the RVSM process be eliminated on January 1, 2020 if you still want to operate under an LOA to cross the border, such as me flying from Michigan across Canada to New York?

The article seems to leave out the domestic US limitations.


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What equipment code do i now use if I have ADSB installed?


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How will the RVSM process be eliminated on January 1, 2020 if you still want to operate under an LOA to cross the border

The old way is maintained, you can still operate under LOA under section 2 and 3, just like before.

Nothing is going away, just a new way is added.

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What equipment code do i now use if I have ADSB installed?

If your aircraft complies with section 9, you file as RVSM equipped.

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What equipment code do i now use if I have ADSB installed?

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What equipment code do i now use if I have ADSB installed?
/L

/W for RVSM, /L for RVSM + GPS for FAA flight plans.

W in equipment codes for ICAO flight plans.

Are they ever going to turn off the old flight plan form? Have pushed that back at least twice.

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Regarding TCAS II, this was taken directly from FederalRegister.gov regarding the changes to Appendix G.

"The FAA notes that a Traffic Collision Avoidance Alert System (TCAS) is not specifically required for RVSM operations. Other FAA regulations specify when an aircraft must be equipped with a collision avoidance system. However, for operations in RVSM airspace, aircraft that are equipped with TCAS II must meet Technical Standards Order (TSO) C-119b and be modified to incorporate software Version 7.0, or a later version. This requirement is specified as an aircraft approval requirement in current paragraph (g) of Section 2 of Appendix G. The proposed requirement for operators of ADS-B Out equipped aircraft seeking to operate in RVSM airspace that are also equipped with TCAS II must meet TSO C-119b (Version 7.0), or later, is necessary because earlier TCAS software versions did not incorporate revised alert thresholds for traffic alerts (TA) and resolution advisories (RA) for FL300 through FL420 that are compatible with RVSM operations. These provisions for TCAS II equipped aircraft in paragraph (a)(4) of proposed Section 9 are identical to current provisions for existing RVSM aircraft approval under Section 2 of Appendix G."


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Exciting day today! I will be launching my C550 into RVSM Airspace with only ADSB and no LOA.


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