I would like to hear from a high altitude ATC controller to find out if they have the airplanes true altitude displayed. Is something that is shown up later after the computers compute the data and then you get a letter?

ADS-B will now detect this.

As opposed to an old style RVSM aircraft that could fly 2 years with an altimetry error before it gets height checked?

ADS-B allows for real time, in seconds, monitoring of altitude. I don't know what capability the FAA has for real time notification of ATC. The new rule states:

The aircraft must have its height-keeping performance monitored in a form and manner acceptable to the Administrator.

So it is up to the FAA to figure out the monitoring aspect of this.

Mike C.

Not really. Most aircraft deficiencies that cause accidents are there for a while before they actually result in an accident. During your 9 hours, did you ever cross another airplanes exact horizontal location with only vertical separation? Probably not, that only happens once in a while. So you will still have a better chance than the old way of being notified of this kind of error before it causes a problem even if the FAA just emails you.

So the new way to get your ASE measured is an RVSM test flight using this page:

https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/separat ... t_Form.pdf

The form says it's a 4-6 week turnaround time. I have no idea why - I've had ADS-B performance reports (https://adsbperformance.faa.gov/PAPRRequest.aspx) returned on the same day I made the request.

The process for the initial flight is almost described in AC 91-85B:

Section 4.3.5.1 describes a portion of how to do the initial flight. Open question: Do you need to notify anyone (ATC or otherwise) that it's an initial RVSM flight and you're not known to be in compliance? Do you need to leave RVSM after you've done your minimum 15 minutes, or can you fly for hours on your first flight? Can you continue flying in RVSM until you hear back from NAARMO?

Section 4.3.5.2 says that you must have been monitored and found in compliance within the previous 24 months. But if that's true, how do you make your first RVSM flight?

Am I overthinking this? Has anyone here done the NAARMO request? How long did it take to get results?

There’s actually a section on the monitoring page now that shows planes the were approved under section 9

https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/separat ... _SEC9A.pdf

Here’s the main page.
https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/separat ... approvals/

The FAA publishes a list of planes who've qualified under the new RVSM w/ ADS-B rules. On that list there are at least 3 Epic LTs, kitplanes that were never qualified under the old rules, so I looked one of them up on line, called the owner and asked how he did it. It was straightforward, just as Mike C. predicted:
First he had to make some hardware changes to meet the requirements of Part 91, Appendix G, Section 9. He put in a second, independent static system, from ports to ADHRS and display. His panel is old Chelton and he got a good deal on a second display and ADHRS from someone upgrading to something more recent. He said it cost about $8K total, half for the used hardware and half for installation. He did IFR altimeter certifications for both systems to 35,000 feet, which passed. He watched an online course on RVSM ($35, IIRC). Then he filled out the NAARMO request form online and went flying. He couldn't file as RVSM approved, since he wasn't yet, but ATC can give permission for non-RVSM in RVSM airspace, traffic permitting. Then he waited to hear back from NAARMO. And waited. His test flight was in late September or early October, he finally called them in December. They said he passed, they just got a little behind in the paperwork. They only update the online list once a month and they took the holidays off so his plane finally appeared in the February update. That's when he could change his filing code and file for RVSM airspace like everyone else. As long as he flies up there at least once every 24 months there's nothing more he needs to do unless they send him a letter.

Fantastic! Thanks for doing the legwork. That's exactly the answer I was trying to find.

I can understand the two month delay. They must be buried - it looks like they're averaging three valid requests per day since this went live!

A dated topic but how does a new to an owner CJ and the plane get rvsm certification to go out of the country?

I used this guy to write the manuals since had written the previous manual for the aircraft:
https://www.wildingair.com/

Since he had all of the information already, it only took a few days for the manual to arrive. The FSDO took less than 30 days from what I remember.

Thanks

I'm another satisfied customer of Wilding Air, although for a MEL. Very prompt and efficient.

So I have to ask, the one or two folks I did call, and not Wilding, sound likes is some kind of a question guessing game to get the certification. I asked for a checklist. And was told “ Oh no they are all different”. Is that your experiences also?

Yup. And you are dealing with San Jose FSDO. There the best. Sarcasm. One of our planes the RVSM manual was approved by Oakland FSDO when plane was based in STS. Then Seattle FSDO when plane was based in BFI. Then we buy it and San Jose FSDO says manual is all wrong. And it was a manual done by a company.

Wilding sent me a five page questionnaire that asked for all of the details that he needed. After completing that, and paying him, he emailed me the manual and also shipped me three copies of it. I can't remember if the FSDO kept one or not, one for the airplane, one for the office.

The YIP FSDO had no problem with the manual and approved it pretty quick (within a few days). They asked for up to 30 days for approval, but I had it back before that. It may or may not help that Wilding is in the same FSDO as I was using.

There was no questions from the FSDO. Send in the manual, and I received the LOA back for my signature.