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Post subject: Re: Off the market (2008 Pilatus PC12NG) - considering optio Posted: 05 Dec 2018, 22:44 |
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Joined: 01/29/08 Posts: 26431 Post Likes: +13066 Location: Walterboro, SC. KRBW
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Username Protected wrote: Here's how I know it's not coming anytime soon..... everyone says it's coming. In 1999 and in 2007 everyone thought the markets would go up forever. You could say the conditioning has worked. Yup. Now you're agreeing with me?
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Post subject: Re: Off the market (2008 Pilatus PC12NG) - considering optio Posted: 05 Dec 2018, 22:44 |
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Joined: 01/29/08 Posts: 26431 Post Likes: +13066 Location: Walterboro, SC. KRBW
Aircraft: PC12NG
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Username Protected wrote: I'm too am certain there will be a big crash... some time in the next 30 years. Jason you should wait, sit on the sidelines and let life go by planeless until precisely that moment. I love when we agree. Which is like once every 5 years.
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Post subject: Re: Off the market (2008 Pilatus PC12NG) - considering optio Posted: 06 Dec 2018, 11:44 |
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Joined: 12/14/08 Posts: 42 Post Likes: +23
Aircraft: PIlatus PC-12/47
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Username Protected wrote: Jason - wouldn't the Blackhawk KA 350 do everything you want? Faster than PC12, still use short runways, good payload and range, new. They are claiming 332KTS, that would make a dent on your runs West. I believe requires 2 pilots....
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Post subject: Re: Off the market (2008 Pilatus PC12NG) - considering optio Posted: 06 Dec 2018, 11:51 |
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Joined: 09/11/09 Posts: 5300 Post Likes: +4213 Company: Looking Location: Tulsa, Ok
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Username Protected wrote: I believe requires 2 pilots.... You can get a single pilot type rating for the 350.
_________________ I don't have a problem with anger, I have a problem with idiots.
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Post subject: Re: Off the market (2008 Pilatus PC12NG) - considering optio Posted: 06 Dec 2018, 13:49 |
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Username Protected wrote: I have a other forum acquaintance who lives in the UK and is some sort of hedge fund guy. He has a CJ3 and often conducts business in North America. He crossed the Atlantic in that thing 18 times last year alone! Even did St.Johns to the UK direct once, he mentioned. That's pretty impressive. Long range capability like that at that speed, makes me excited. Means that if the funds were ever there, I could eliminate not just domestic airline travel, but all international travel too. Not sure why that excites me so much, but it does. That just might tear it right there.
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Post subject: Re: Off the market (2008 Pilatus PC12NG) - considering optio Posted: 06 Dec 2018, 13:52 |
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Joined: 05/23/13 Posts: 6787 Post Likes: +7338 Company: Jet Acquisitions Location: Franklin, TN 615-739-9091 chip@jetacq.com
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Username Protected wrote: Went from a KA to a CJ. I do miss the KA cabin but the CJ is so much faster, I don't have to be in it as long. PC-12 cabin is much nicer than the KA I like the PC-12 Cabin better than a King Air 90 or 200, but I like the 350 cabin better than the PC-12, just hard to beat a double club!
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Post subject: Re: Off the market (2008 Pilatus PC12NG) - considering optio Posted: 06 Dec 2018, 21:51 |
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Joined: 08/12/08 Posts: 7428 Post Likes: +2256 Company: Retired Location: Santa Barbara, CA
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Jason, What’s your rush? It sounds as though you have a great aircraft now that suits your needs well. Be opportunistic. If a great deal comes along you can jump on it, otherwise wait and see how the Denali impacts the market. You may like it better, or Pilatus may respond with something you like even more. Or perhaps they’ll be equals but the competition will force both parties to sharpen their pencils and you may benefit from that. As for the tax aspect it can’t hurt to keep your powder dry. We know that personal income taxes will increase unless the law is changed (the tax cuts had a sunset provision, if memory serves). Depending upon how the next election goes taxes may increase significantly. Some folks say now is a good time to do Roth conversions to take advantage of the lower rates. Be opportunistic, because you can.
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Post subject: Re: Off the market (2008 Pilatus PC12NG) - considering optio Posted: 07 Dec 2018, 01:36 |
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Joined: 12/26/17 Posts: 141 Post Likes: +74
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JC - Sounds like you have an itch (jet) to scratch - all this doesn't have to make sense on paper - (none of it does actually).
Me - I think you would enjoy a jet - you will give up some things and gain others - if you had a Caravan 208B and moved to a PC 12 you would give up some things and of course gain others.
It's fun to get a new plane. We had a Caravan 208B for 9 years - good friend had a PC 12. On 100 - 200 mile trips speed difference was insignificant. We could carry a lot more of anything including people than he could - no contest in carrying ability regardless of distance and do it cheaper.
Comparing Caravan to PC12 is a bit like comparing PC 12 to CJ3. The first in both cases is more of a tractor / station wagon compared to the 2nd. The second is able to go higher get above more weather and go faster.
The PC12 does have long legs, but the price (for me) sitting 5,6,7 hours isn't fun or healthy - I just won't do it, so that long leg factor is a non factor for me.
If I'm going to do 3 hour legs (about all I like) I will get further down the road in the one that goes faster.
Probably the smartest thing (especially if you're a bean counter by DNA) and don't mind sitting that long is keep what you have, but the itch will not get scratched.
If it were me it would be easy - jet (because I am not willing to sit for 6 hours - which is what it takes to outrun the 3.
Me - if I had a choice to fly a PC 12 or a Jet - I would take the jet anytime, to me it's more fun - I don't care if I have to land 10 times - I fly because I like it.
I'd almost rather get a root canal (almost) than be droning along @ any speed for 6 hours unless I can stand up - walk to a full size bathroom and had a 2nd pilot. That kind of plane is different mission and completely out of my price range (Latitude, Challenger 300, etc).
If I had a Mustang and a TBM sitting here - I would never take the TBM. I really don't like loading bags in a PC12, TBM or King Air and I've done a lot in all them.
I really enjoy the climb performance and really like not having to slog around in weather I can nearly always get over in the jet. FL 450 (CJ3) would even be better. I've spent a lot of time at lower altitudes and really like planes that go high.
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Post subject: Re: Off the market (2008 Pilatus PC12NG) - considering optio Posted: 07 Dec 2018, 10:35 |
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My vote for a repaint would be this one: It might need a few tweaks to avoid a nasty letter.
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Post subject: Re: Off the market (2008 Pilatus PC12NG) - considering optio Posted: 07 Dec 2018, 12:06 |
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Joined: 02/13/10 Posts: 20127 Post Likes: +23624 Location: Castle Rock, Colorado
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Username Protected wrote: Nah. Swoopy stripes are two years away from becoming the “members only jacket” of airplane paint schemes. What’s the future of airplane paint schemes?
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