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 Post subject: Piper Navajo YouTube Channel
PostPosted: 10 Oct 2018, 21:57 
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For anyone interested, we will begin adding more videos of our flights to this youtube channel:


https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCC4wUw ... vqpDZiPGxA


I would appreciate any feedback...… please be gentle!


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 Post subject: Re: Piper Navajo YouTube Channel
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Carl,

Nice job! Sounds great, and we'll be looking forward to it. :clap:

~ Mark N116GW Lynden, WA


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 Post subject: Re: Piper Navajo YouTube Channel
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Awesome Carl! I just subscribed. My plane is a Mike Jones Aircraft right now for the annual and I've been having withdrawls. This helps.

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 Post subject: Re: Piper Navajo YouTube Channel
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I understand your pain! The good news is, I am very happy with the Navajo that Mike Jones delivered...… it will be worth your wait.


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 Post subject: Re: Piper Navajo YouTube Channel
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Nice job. Would you elaborate on your camera, mount, and editing setup?


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Nice videos! I noticed in one that you are doing partial-power takeoffs. What's your reasoning on that?


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Nice videos! I noticed in one that you are doing partial-power takeoffs. What's your reasoning on that?


Hi Jon- good observation. I got some incorrect advise from an old-timer and do not advocate this. This document explains why: https://www.lycoming.com/content/tips-extending-tbo


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 Post subject: Re: Piper Navajo YouTube Channel
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Nice job. Would you elaborate on your camera, mount, and editing setup?


Camera facing pilot/copilot: GoPro Hero 5 on a suction mount with GoPro 3.5mm audio adapter
Camera looking at the panel: GoPro Hero 5 on a standard GoPro mount with an extension
Camera looking out front: GoPro Hero 3 on a standard GoPro mount

For editing, we are using HitFilm 4 Express (free).


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Nice videos! I noticed in one that you are doing partial-power takeoffs. What's your reasoning on that?


Hi Jon- good observation. I got some incorrect advise from an old-timer and do not advocate this. This document explains why: https://www.lycoming.com/content/tips-extending-tbo


Great! Glad you found that document. I was trying to find it to share with you once I got a feel for your reasoning. :thumbup:

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Nice, subscribed! Are you based out of TIW? That's where I earned my PP-ASEL in the 1990's.

Oh, never mind... just heard "headed back to home, which is Florida."

LOL @ "fuel flow" while adjusting the O2! ;-)


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Nice videos! I noticed in one that you are doing partial-power takeoffs. What's your reasoning on that?


Hi Jon- good observation. I got some incorrect advise from an old-timer and do not advocate this. This document explains why: https://www.lycoming.com/content/tips-extending-tbo


We took a pair of Js all the way to TBO (1800 hrs) basically doing what the Lycoming link talks about. No internal engine issues during that time. Only 1 turbo if I recall correctly.

Our procedures were Full power, full rpm, full rich for takeoff. Climb at 39/2400 with TIT no leaner than 1500. Cruise 33/2200/1600 TIT. Always monitor CHT, tried to keep under 400. Descent nose over like Lycoming document. Then after cooling starts, reduce 1" of MP per minute or no more than 10 degrees CHT per minute.

YMMV, but worked great for us for 10 years.

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Love the videos and the panel. I like that you are running 125 degrees ROP and staying rich enough to stay out of the danger zone. Just want to let you know that these engines run very well LOP with balanced fuel injectors like GAMI's. Just stay out of the red box (advancedpilot.com). I've already heard that the Navajo shouldn't be run LOP for reasons X, Y, or Z. I wasn't going to argue. It's not worth my time anymore. I run well ROP or at least 70 degress LOP. If you don't know much about LOP, check out advancedpilot.com. I believe all the data came from the Lyc TIO-540 that is on their test stand. Even if you still decide to run ROP, you will learn a ton about the way your engine works.

Here's what my plane does. At 10,000 feet I run my Navajo at 38", 2350 RPM, 16.8-17.0 gph, CHT's less than 380, TIT less than 1600, and TAS 185.

Just thought I'd let you know since you guys travel long distances and this can save fuel, your cylinders will be cleaner, and you won't sacrifice TAS.

Keep the videos coming!

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Love the videos and the panel. I like that you are running 125 degrees ROP and staying rich enough to stay out of the danger zone. Just want to let you know that these engines run very well LOP with balanced fuel injectors like GAMI's. Just stay out of the red box (advancedpilot.com). I've already heard that the Navajo shouldn't be run LOP for reasons X, Y, or Z. I wasn't going to argue. It's not worth my time anymore. I run well ROP or at least 70 degress LOP. If you don't know much about LOP, check out advancedpilot.com. I believe all the data came from the Lyc TIO-540 that is on their test stand. Even if you still decide to run ROP, you will learn a ton about the way your engine works.

Here's what my plane does. At 10,000 feet I run my Navajo at 38", 2350 RPM, 16.8-17.0 gph, CHT's less than 380, TIT less than 1600, and TAS 185.

Just thought I'd let you know since you guys travel long distances and this can save fuel, your cylinders will be cleaner, and you won't sacrifice TAS.

Keep the videos coming!



Thanks for the nice comment and the information. I assume you meant 28" @ 2350 rpm?! My motors do have GAMI injectors and LOP is something that may be an option in the future. I have a JPI 760 monitor and the biggest issue is CHT. At 65% power, say 10,000', I typically run 31", 2200rpm, 21.5-22gph, TIT around 1500, TAS 185, but CHTs on #6 are at 430* with cowl flaps closed. The engines have intercoolers installed. EGTs are nice and cool and within 50* of each other, but the CHTs vary quite a bit between cylinders (360-430*) with #6 the hottest followed by #3 and #4.


The enginges are almost brand new from Mike Jones and Power by Blueprint with an impressive warrantee that I don't want to jeopardize. I am very happy with the product they provided thus far and am currently operating them according to both of thier suggestions and will proceed with their input.


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More videos have been added with many more to come.....


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